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I am a convicted felon. 3 years ago I posted an AMA: I am a former drug mule. Here I am 3 years later now as a convict.
Link to my first thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/83br6o/i_am_a_former_drug_mule_for_the_mexican_drug
I ended up being arrested by federal authorities for my crimes. I knew they were coming and when they finally arrested me I felt like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders. I spent time in federal prison and here I am today ready to share my experiences.
Edit 1: The main reason I'm doing this is because I want to dissuade people from getting involved in this lifestyle. When I logged into my account after 3 years I had a lot of messages from my previous AMA asking me how to get involved in this line of business. I may have glamorized this line of business a little in my previous AMA and I apologize. I was young and stupid. It wasn't worth it.
I lost everything when I went to prison. I was shunned by my extended family, my friends abandoned me, the woman I loved left me and worst of all, my dog died. My dog dying is what really hurt. While I was rotting away in a small, filthy prison cell everyone else was moving on with their lives. Calling my mom on Christmas and hearing her crying because she missed me will always be on my mind.
I started trafficking because my mother was dying and I needed the money to pay for her hospital bills. Eventually I became so corrupted with money that I started getting not violent, but aggressive. I was always looking to start a bar fight or any kind of conflict.
Only my parents and best friend stuck by me in all of this. My best friend sent me legal work pertinent to my case and even sent me money on occasion. I will always be grateful to him.
When I was trafficking, making money everyone wanted to be my friend. But when I tried calling my boys from prison they wouldn't answer and that's when I realized, they were only my boys when I was paying the bar tab.
My mother is alive and well today, I don't regret my actions because the money I made paid for her treatment, but I do wish things could've been different. She was depressed when I went to prison, but I'd rather her be depressed than dead.
Edit 2: Thanks for all the support and advice my dudes. I will stop answering questions at this time. I will try my best to have that book ready by next year. Till then.
Hoo-yah1401 karma
My parents took care of my few possessions.
The only drugs I transported were marijuana and cocaine.
I invested the money I got from the stimulus checks and am living off of that for now.
like_ike_beat_tina1072 karma
Dude you replied to... every fucking question. What the fuck? Best AMA of the decade so far just due to pure effort.
jimmycarr1759 karma
You did your time and can live as a free man. What's the plan from here?
Hoo-yah1167 karma
I'm going to write a book and write about all the fucked up things the people I was working for did.
Raythunda125755 karma
What’s a positive thing you’ve learned from the experience, something that would surprise others looking at your situation?
Hoo-yah1248 karma
It took me to hit rock bottom to finally understand my actions. Before prison I was getting drunk everyday and hurting those I loved. I vowed to myself, I will never be that guy again.
D1per911686 karma
Were there any parts of prison that you preferred over life on the outside?
Hoo-yah1328 karma
It's a lot of gay jokes, but I liked the ones where we could make fun of ourselves and our situations.
A lot of guys would call their girlfriends/wives on a Friday night and of course it would go straight to voicemail. I would always tell them, "nah man, your girls at church". When in reality they were probably at the club.
venterol245 karma
As a sort-of aside, how are gay people treated in prison? Not just flamboyant ones, just if you were to slip that you had a boyfriend on the outside, would you be avoided, get beat up, or treated no differently than a non-gay inmate?
shy_high_guy733 karma
First day this crew came on my job site. Guy comes up and says, "Hey man, just wanted to let you know we got a gay iron worker on site. If you gimme a kiss I'll tell you who he is."
Dankestmemelord56 karma
The conversation about prison humor reminded me of a podcast hosted by a (supervised) inmate at San Quentin about how prison culture is different from the outside, and your responses were just like the kind of things he and his interviewees say. I figured you or others in the thread may find it interesting.
BellybuttonLeopards650 karma
How did the arrest go down? And how were the first 24 hours after getting put into cuffs feel?
Hoo-yah1160 karma
DEA politely knocked on my door, identified me and cuffed me. No guns were drawn.
The first 24 hours sucked. I slept most of it.
largesemi271 karma
From handcuffs at your door to in your cell what was the process at the federal level?
Hoo-yah429 karma
I was taken to the DEA office for interrogation and then to local PD to spend the night. The next day I went to court to get arraigned and then transferred to a federal detention center.
webby_mc_webberson50 karma
That's interesting. What surprised you about what they already knew?
Hoo-yah107 karma
What surprised me was how incredibly dumb they are. Half the things they had on me was completely wrong.
phamily_man117 karma
Why this? Did you hear about something in particular that you wanted to see? Or is this just your preferred adult content?
Vegetable-Curve-8136461 karma
What got you arrested? How long did you know it was coming ?
Hoo-yah698 karma
At least 6 months prior to my arrest. They arrested my co-defendant (drug boss) 2 months before me.
shockingdevelopment191 karma
How did you spend the months leading up to arrest, knowing it was coming?
Hoo-yah429 karma
A buddy of mine got the living shit beat out of him. That was painful to watch. He was a friend, but I couldn't step in because he was a gang member. If I'd done that then both of us would've been sent to the hospital.
shockingdevelopment139 karma
What triggers gang violence? Do they attack each other for no reason? Just avoiding as much contact as possible?
Hoo-yah221 karma
Usually it's the result of someone disrespecting someone else. Also, drug debts cause a lot of conflict.
mahade-7 karma
Why though? It seems like a place where you can easily fade into non-existence. Hard to track down and find. I lived in CDMX and it's huge, the outskirts are huuuuuge. You can rent a small room somewhere, pay cash, live cheap and anonymously, work in a community kitchen or something, get a job in some shop earning money off the books...
kyleclements30 karma
If you knew it was coming, why didn't you either try to run or turn yourself in?
Wouldn't the waiting be stressful as hell?
GODAMA398 karma
What did you learn in prison?
Did you study or practice anything?
What helped pass the time with no internet?
What’s it like leaving daily access to the internet, then coming back years later?
Hoo-yah848 karma
I read over 300 books including the dictionary, thesaurus, bible, etc.
I spent my time getting into the best shape of my life. I watched a lot of football as well.
I jumped onto FB the first chance I got. Everyone I knew either had kids or were still doing the same thing they were doing before my incarceration.
downtimeredditor202 karma
If you Don't mind me asking what exercises did you do to get into the best shape of your life
sumofsines171 karma
Did you eat okay? When I was in jail I felt like I was always starving, never understood how people could work out when they couldn't get enough to eat.
SadNAloneOnChristmas61 karma
How do you earn and how much do you earn in prison? Were your parents able to send you money?
Hoo-yah145 karma
My parents sent me money occasionally and I had my hustle while in prison.
Helping people write to their lawyers/judges regarding their cases.
Hoo-yah32 karma
Ken Follett's The Pillars of the Earth, World without End.
Michael Crichton's State of Fear was one of my favorites too.
Bookybookbooks388 karma
Were you treated fairly in prison?
Did you ever see instances of favoritism, Racism, or illegal activity with the prison guards/employees?
What are the most important do's and don'ts of prison?
Thank you for the AMA
Hoo-yah796 karma
I was treated with respect because I treat others with respect.
Some guards favor inmates of their own race.
DO NOT EVER STEAL in prison. The absolute NO NO
Mind your own business and you'll be good.
Security_Chief_Odo363 karma
I imagine you don't get a whole lot of computer time. What do you spend your time doing aside from probably reading a lot ? Anything else to stay occupied?
GaussfaceKilla361 karma
Asking for my mom, do you have an opinion on how to stop trafficking?
rich1051414300 karma
You said it was a weight off your shoulders. Was it the pressure to continue mulling and serving time was your only out, or was it just the fear of being caught at any time as well as not knowing the level of force coming down on you?
PM_ME_UR_TRAP_SHIT270 karma
What were you charged with?
What level prison did you go to?
Did you have support from the outside while you were in?
Did you cooperate? If not, what was the deal offered if you did?
Public defender or did you get a paid attorney? How were they?
What drugs were you muling?
What are your plans now?
Hoo-yah382 karma
Conspiracy with intent to distribute.
Low
I received a safety valve so kinda.
I did at first, but ultimately my friends and family ended up abandoning me. Only my parents and best friend stuck around.
Marijuana and cocaine.
I intend to write a book.
Dan_H128126 karma
At one time I was a seller of things at a mid level and while I was there on top had girls every weekend a house full friends out the ass to many always wanting to hang out I was using at the time and I got hit with a bunch of charges from a snitch I quit after I got out and I have had two friends over in five or six years, everyone figured out they could not hang out get hi for free or sell them stuff I was no longer valued, I will say that 1k n honest money does what 10k biz money gets u I swear I made like 3500-6500 a week or sometimes n a day and had issues paying bills it seemed like
Hoo-yah13 karma
What is Tiktok? I know it's another social platform but have no idea how to navigate it.
snouz268 karma
I'm wondering, how did you perceive the beginning and evolution of Covid, and has it affected you?
What's the general point of view about it in prison?
Hoo-yah472 karma
I was in prison long before covid. When it became a pandemic it was a little disheartening to see the world ravaged by the virus. I had to go to the optometrist during covid and it was really weird seeing the free world during the pandemic. My city looked like a ghost town. Having your temperature checked and hands sanitized before you enter an establishment was so weird to me.
medortech148 karma
Can you give a brief description of how going to optometrist was like? Were you escorted by many guards? Thanks and all the best man
Hoo-yah432 karma
I was cuffed with 2 armed guards escorting me. We went to a free world doctor and everyone who was in the doctor's office kept staring at me. One mother placed herself between her little boy as they walked past me. That small gesture kinda stung.
AgitatedGopher242 karma
How do haircuts work in prison? Can you only get them on a set schedule? Is there a prison barber?
Hoo-yah278 karma
There are always a couple of barbers. One would use the clippers and others would razors.
I_creampied_Jesus88 karma
Is there like a really good one who takes appointments and gets paid in commissary? I would imagine you could run a decent little hustle if you were a great barber.
Hoo-yah162 karma
Yeah, there's always a barber who runs it like that. Now the prison currency is cashapp.
andywolf8896240 karma
Do you have a career interest you plan on pursuing now that you're out?
dgunn11235186 karma
What are the best job opportunities for an ex-felon?
I know there are a lot of limitations, which I find short sighted honestly.
Felons can not vote, cannot hold security clearance, cannot enlist in the military (seems like a good place for rehabilitation imho), I don’t know if they can get a business license, but a professional license is limited.
Hoo-yah279 karma
Truck driving, welding, HVAC were always the most commonly named jobs for ex-cons.
Hoo-yah436 karma
Prison gave me a chance to be introspective.
Worst part? My dog died, my girl left me and all but one of my friends abandoned me.
TheNerdWithNoName294 karma
Well, now you can write a hit country song and be set for life.
Itchy_Tasty88175 karma
Did you see a lot of fights inside? Has anyone tried picking a fight with you there?
Hoo-yah261 karma
I only saw a handful of fights. I was involved in 2 fights (self defense).
DrJulianBashir132 karma
Did you face any punishment from the prison (or further retaliation from the person who attacked you or their friends) after the fights?
darshilj97109 karma
How does someone live five months in solitary and doesn't go insane. What do you do in solitary confinement?
Hoo-yah238 karma
We had radios. I listened to a lot of music, talked football with the guards, read the newspaper( yes, we got the newspaper). It was kinda fun.
cptstupendous169 karma
If we decided to shift the focus from punishment to rehabilitation, what changes would you recommend to improve the success rate?
Hoo-yah413 karma
I think the first step would be to reduce the harsh mandatory minimum sentences. If someone gets 10 years for peddling drugs chances are he'll become institutionalized and continue to mess up.
Metalhart00115 karma
Having been through it, what are your thoughts on the criminal justice system? If that's too broad or complicated to get into, how many stars would you rate it?
Hoo-yah272 karma
The feds definitely like to fuck people over. I was convicted for a crime I did not commit. Yes I trafficked drugs, but not the drugs they claimed.
Firebirdflame93 karma
If they convicted you of the drugs you actually trafficked, do you think your sentence would've changed at all?
yippiyak63 karma
I don’t mean to be insensitive, but does that mean you’re basically starting things/life from square 1?
I guess I’ve just always been curious how people get by when they’ve kind of lost it all.
turbo_the_turtle110 karma
What's the #1 thing in prison/the prison system that needs reform in your opinion?
Hoo-yah238 karma
My drug boss was arrested (I had already left the game 6 months at this point). He cooperated with the feds and gave me up.
krokodil_hodil51 karma
That's fucked up. Did they have any other evidence beside your boss talking?
Hoo-yah152 karma
Nothing else! I spent hours in the law library fighting my own case. My attorney said we could take it to trial, but my co defendant would've testified against me. Feds have a 97% conviction rate. If I would have lost I would have received at least 20 years.
Laney20137 karma
Elsewhere in the thread he mentions that the guy thought he was snitching on them and was making plans to kidnap him. So I doubt they're good buddies, lol.
303elliott93 karma
How did your mental health transition throughout the process, from paranoia, to prison, to release?
Looking back, is there anything you would do differently?
Hoo-yah222 karma
Prior to my incarceration I was quite paranoid. Always looking over my shoulder, always scanning the parking lots for undercovers. I think however, my paranoia was justified. It became known to me that there was a plot to kidnap me.
In prison, a lot of people thought I was criminally insane because of my sense of humor. I don't think I'm insane I just like to laugh at the situation if possible.
Hoo-yah213 karma
The drug network I was working for was under surveillance. A lot of the jobs they did were foiled by the feds and everyone seemed to think I was behind it.
I came across a recording between my boss and his boss scheming to kidnap me and take me to Mexico to question me.
griffincorg18 karma
Hey man, hope things have changed for the better for you and that the journey ahead may be tough, but I hope you won't go back to prison again.
Do you feel paranoid that your drug boss or someone else might be out to get you? Or do you ever feel that if you turned them down and don't intend to distribute again, that could rub them off the wrong way?
Hoo-yah65 karma
My drug boss will most likely die in prison. Everyone he was working for is hiding. Either way, I will never return to my home town.
Photonphlex74 karma
Prison in the media has a lot of downtime sitting in a cell doing absolutely nothing, how does that compare to what you were subjected to? I can imagine it wasn't fun per se but I also have a genuine question; would you say it was worth it? Given how much you've learned and changed throughout your spent time.
Hoo-yah165 karma
Those 5 months in solitary confinement was the best thing that ever happened to me. I learned more about myself in 5 months than I had in 20+ years of life.
Hoo-yah192 karma
The correctional officers posted there really took a liking to me. One even said, "you're a good kid. It kills me to see you in here. You don't act like the other idiots in here."
Solitary confinement gave me a lot of time to think. I realized just how fucked up I was before prison. I just learned to forgive myself.
Rum_Soaked_Ham70 karma
What do you think your chances were of surviving being kidnapped and brought to Mexico for questioning?
WhyAreYouEatingPaper65 karma
I have been in a similar situation with the DEA, oh man that is such a horrid feeling seeing those vests. Where did you serve your time? How much weight did you get charged with? I kept my nose clean for a while until Covid hit but retired due to some other real life issues, but am still on the straight and narrow. I’m guessing there are zero thoughts going through your head of a return? I’m way too fearful of a prison sentence
Hoo-yah117 karma
I went to a low level security prison. One time is enough for me. Never will I return to a life of crime.
Trill-I-Am61 karma
What advice would you give for someone going into prison the same amount of time as you?
AskMeOnADate51 karma
Ever watch any prison shows or documentaries? Are any of them realistic?
Hoo-yah108 karma
I've watched locked up on National geographic. The thing about that is, it's only state prison. Federal prison is far better than state.
Hoo-yah127 karma
I used to have a lot of guilt because of my actions. I even tried to kill myself because I felt so guilty. I learned to forgive myself and move on.
PyViet38 karma
On a scale of 1 to 10 (with 10 being the equivalent of smuggling drugs into Singapore) how desperate or stupid were you when you started muling?
Manaleaking32 karma
Did being a criminal help you with the ladies? What kind of women were attracted to you?
What's your plan romance-wise?
Hoo-yah96 karma
I'm in relatively good shape and definitely carry myself differently after everything I been through. I'm currently talking to a girl way out of my league so I'd like to say yes.
I attract fat chicks for some reason.
Right now I just want to find a nice girl who doesn't care about my past crimes.
JelliedHam24 karma
What if she did care, but still wants to know your and understand who you are now vs then? From no experience whatsoever, I bet you'd probably find better prospects with people who were thoughtful about it rather than those who just don't care. I understand that's completely unsolicited. I'm cool with fucking off.
Hoo-yah39 karma
I'd be more than willing to talk to her about my past with her. What I meant was more in the sense of my past does not define me.
Hoo-yah72 karma
I met one 19 year old kid there for capital murder. He was a little off... He was ecstatic after only getting 29 years.
Hoo-yah23 karma
I helped people write letters to their lawyer/judge. I've always had a talent for profound writing.
parkersr19 karma
Would you go back to your former life?
How much did you make? Weekly, monthly etc? Was it enough to make you feel secure enough for your future and to not not want to leave that lifestyle?
morally-illegal9 karma
How did you find the transition back into the real world from the pen?
Are there things that you forgot about like how to time cars to cross the street?
Having looked in the eyes of a stranger, or even a woman for example like an assistant when shopping, first few moments when you have been out. Did it trip you out a bit?
How hard is it to find work as a criminal?
Hoo-yah13 karma
I gave absolutely zero fucks of what people thought about me. After what I've been through I just don't care what people think or say about me.
Neither_Echo8 karma
Do you think there’s anything anyone could of told you before you started, that would of made a difference in you not going this route in life?
Hoo-yah32 karma
I learned long ago to stop asking myself "what if, I should've..." What's done is done and I'm okay with what happened. Some people just have to learn the hard way and I was one of those.
Fuck_You_Downvote8 karma
Was there prison hooch? I brew beer and wonder if brewers are in high demand and what the competition would be like.
Hoo-yah22 karma
I tried it twice and it was really weak. Then I realized it's kinda sad to be drinking in prison so I stopped.
the_DAPS-5 karma
Any advice for a fugitive avoiding the law currently? Asking for a friend.
nicgom1102 karma
What happened to your possessions outside of prison like apartment/house, car, bills? What drugs did you carry? What do you do for a living nowadays?
Thanks for the ama
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