Hi everyone,

I was astounded to see that we made the news on the Reddit front page today with our city declaring a Nazi emergency. I posted a comment that people can ask me if they have any questions about this but got the suggestion to do an AMA since it would probably get buried there.

Here's a short summary of what happened:

This March we won one seat in the local election, along with of course some other parties. We formed (as of right now unofficial) parliamentary group with two other members from two other parties. We all do share a very libertarian and social view on things, although this might differ from the definitions of these words as you have in the USA. A few days ago, we wanted the city to declare a "Climate emergency", as other cities done in Germany, which got rejected. This week we proposed to declare a "Nazi emergency", which got approved by the majority of the parliament.

If you have questions about this proposal, what it entails, about political work in Germany (as part of a smaller party) or about the Pirate Party movement/the Pirate Party in Germany... well, ask me anything!

Proof I am a member of the Pirate Party (Piratenpartei Deutschland): https://imgur.com/EUlxkkz
Here you can see I am a member of the party executive committee (in German): https://www.piraten-dresden.de/partei/vorstand/

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chickensrdinosaurs98 karma

Why declare it an emergency, specifically? What actions does such a declaration empower the government to take?

DangerousDetlef83 karma

Because the urgency of the situation makes it necessary and sends a signal that the city acknowledges this urgency. The urgency becomes clear if you take a look at the increase of criminal actives, especially regarding violence, that has happened over the past few months and years. But of course it also has a signaling character: Elections this year, especially in Saxony (our state), have shown that the far right is on the rise. They are still far from being the most powerful group here but people are afraid, and rightly so, given the history of our country.

The declaration in and of itself of course does more than simply stating that "we have a problem". It empowers the city to take measures and focus on issues regarding right-wing activities, including but not limited to:

  • More open and transparent parliament, which enables people to partake in the political processes
  • a focus on more budget for education, especially for children from "disadvantaged" families
  • unconditional support for victims of far-right crime and violence
  • more budget for political and cultural education besides schools
  • more support for art and artists to further social discourse

There are more points the declaration consists of, but I really struggle to correctly translate them all into correct English, I am sorry. If you understand German, you can take a look at them here (PDF).

To summarize, it's not only a declaration - there are measures we want to undertake and hope to fulfill in the next few years. Of course, the details need to be ironed out, but this is expected of a political process such as this. We hope that this marks a starting point this process. We do have the majority of the parliament behind this, so chances are pretty good. Making this happen now is not only the task of the local parliament but also the different committees which specialize in the different areas that this includes (infrastructure, culture, education etc.).

njiin1226 karma

From the USA here so I'm completely out of the loop, but the five points you made....shouldn't they already be addressing these without a declaration of an emergency, at least the first three?

DangerousDetlef14 karma

It depends, I'd say. They get addressed but sadly it's often simply not enough. More often than not, it's NGOs and the like who take over the role. If we go for crimes and violence, of course they are being looked into and people are persecuted. But here I need to add add that our police does have a problem with extremism within, especially here in Saxony.

The most important one is education, socially and culturally. This happens almost exclusively in schools as of today. This has been neglected a long time.

Of course, one city can't solve all of these problems. Many of them are on a bigger cultural and economical scale. But I hope we can tackle these some time in the future, too.

garybuseysawakening-34 karma

especially regarding violence

Oh the violence against Jews that just so happened to uptick in commensuration with importing people whose religion seeks to actively wipe them off the face of the earth?

DangerousDetlef38 karma

That's just the populism the AfD is known for. You don't have any evidence for that statement, since even the experts don't have a conclusive answer for this. The closest we get are the crime statistics regarding political motivated crimes. Here, crimes with religious ideology are only included since 2017. And they were down by half in 2018. Same with foreign ideology, which is up by half since 2017. But there's not enough data on this in 2 years to see a statistical trend.

With right-wing motivated crime however, there is. It has been rising for the last 10 years and is still on a constant high level. By far the most crimes in Germany which have a political background are right-wing motivated (we're talking about 20.000 crimes with a right wing background vs 3.000 with foreign + religious background combined).

garybuseysawakening-5 karma

By far the most crimes in Germany which have a political background are right-wing motivated (we're talking about 20.000 crimes with a right wing background vs 3.000 with foreign + religious background combined).

Now do it per capita. Oh wait, you won't. I'll do it for you:



You're a fucking liar by means of omission. The native population has also decreased their crime.



DangerousDetlef33 karma

If you think so, but my source is the offical statistic for politcally motivated crime by the ministry itself. I don't have it in English but you can take a look at it yourself in German, if you want to.

bingsuforyou70 karma

Do you think with your repeated 'emergencies' that your party - which already sounds less than serious - will become like the boy who cried wolf, who no-one believes when a real 'emergency' hits? Emergency as in life or death act right now or it's over emergency, not confected social emergency more about attracting attention and grandstanding whilst effectively changing/doing nothing emergency?

DangerousDetlef23 karma

I replied to a similar question down here, I hope this also answers yours.

Grasshopper422 karma

Not seeing the similar question, maybe you could just answer it? (I'm nobody's tyrant, do as you wish bro.)

DangerousDetlef1 karma

It's the currently most upvoted question in this thread and I linked my answer to it above. The answers would be pretty much the same, so please just follow the link and read the answer there.

Grasshopper421 karma

Ok, I get it, you aren't going to approach the question because it derails your movement so much. I already read all of the thread and those comments you linked before we got to this point. The question isn't there. But again, I am nobody's tyrant.

Have a good rest of your day and good luck with your political movement.

Edit :some words

DangerousDetlef4 karma

Hm, but I answered this question, just in another comment? Why would I repeat myself? In answer I gave I stated why I think it was necessary to declare this as an emergency and what this entails (which is more than just signal politics).

You can find the other question, which is similar but it course not that loaded, right here: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/dqqbz0/i_am_steve_könig_head_of_the_pirate_party_in/f68o80o?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

_tiredofthebullshit39 karma

In today's political climate where anyone that dares disagree with the status quo is a "nazi", why in hell would anyone except leftist morons think there is a legit threat of "nazis"?

DangerousDetlef42 karma

Because right-wing motivated crime has been on the rise for years and is still the most politically motivated crimes in Germany are right-wing crimes by a very great margin (official statistics here).

ApocalypseSpokesman47 karma

Are all right-of-center groups Nazis? Do you not think that term has been diluted?

DangerousDetlef37 karma

No, they are not. And I don't think the term has been diluted.

motram22 karma

And I don't think the term has been diluted.

What about Nazis worldwide? Do you think that there has been a surge of Nazi members in the US commiserate with the surge in the use of the label "Nazi"?

DangerousDetlef33 karma

Yes, at least in Europe. I don't know that many US politicians, except the more popular ones, so I am really not qualified to have an opinion here.

But there in Germany and other European countries there are definitely many people who deserve this label. Judging by speech, judging by actions there are many people who speak and act like Nazis.

However, I think that National-Socialism (where this word stems from) is a very precise definition that does not fit all. "Fascist" would probably a better term overall, maybe even something else. Nevertheless, these terms do convey pretty well what these people are, even if their intentions differ.

I don't see Nazis everywhere, even with people who are far-right or supporting far-right policies and parties. But that is not the problem. National-Socialism didn't rise in Germany 80 years ago because everyone was a Nazi. It did rise because people supported it (for the wrong reasons) or because people let it happen.

There's a good quote about Björn Höcke, member of the AfD and of the - let's say - furthest-right politicians in our country: "If you're voting for Höcke, you're not a Nazi. But if you vote for Höcke, you're supporting a Nazi."

motram10 karma

I don't see Nazis everywhere, even with people who are far-right or supporting far-right policies and parties. But that is not the problem. National-Socialism didn't rise in Germany 80 years ago because everyone was a Nazi. It did rise because people supported it (for the wrong reasons) or because people let it happen.

There's a good quote about Björn Höcke, member of the AfD and of the - let's say - furthest-right politicians in our country: "If you're voting for Höcke, you're not a Nazi. But if you vote for Höcke, you're supporting a Nazi."

Very thin line here. "People that even I know aren't Nazis are still dangerous because in 80 years their ideas can change into Nazi-ism".

Tell me what political action you support based on that justification.

DangerousDetlef22 karma

Against who? These people who vote for far-right parties and candidates?

Nothing "against" them. This is a free country and they have the right to vote what they believe is right, even if I strongly disagree. I will defend that right above all else.

Against politicians promoting Nazi ideology? Well, as you said, there is a thin line. The rules here are very different than in other countries (one of them of course that for a long time Nazi symbols weren't allowed to use in video games). Doing this is against the constitution, and in doubt, our supreme court (I guess this is the right translation). There was, for example, already a decision that one is allowed to call the politician I talked about a "Nazi". There is also a decision which says that the AfD is an anti-constitutional party.

However, the hurdles to prohibit a party is very, very high. And this is good. Because this means the democratic system is less prone to abuse. I also don't advocate for prohibition of the AfD, in this case. Because that wouldn't solve the problem.

The political actions I supported are outlined in the "Nazi emergency" declaration. I listed them in one of the top comments.

_tiredofthebullshit31 karma

Ever think Germans are just sick and tired of importing millions and millions of people who can't / won't assimilate into German custom or culture?

DangerousDetlef51 karma

Ever think that a majority of Germans is just sick and tired of some people using their definition of "German custom or culture" to spread hate against foreigners?

Chapose39 karma

Uhh... So why exactly do you think the afd has gained so much popularity if not because of germans being tired of too many refugees and taking more refugees than any other state in the eu?

DangerousDetlef6 karma

Because the frustration with established politics - which is understandable - stems from other sources and the AfD gained popularity event before the "immigration crisis". "They don't like migrants that's why they vote far-right" is far too one-dimensional in my opinion.

Chapose23 karma

Well it certainly isnt the only reason, but I think its more of a matter than you think it is. 'Refugees welcome' just is a concept many people are fed up with since it doesnt deal with any problems arising from these refugees coming here. And that most refugees want to come to germany doesnt help in that matter.

DangerousDetlef4 karma

I agree with you, you are right. Even I am fed up with this, although my reaction is not wanting to close the borders and eject all immigrants. The solution would be more structure and more funding for integrating these people.

I know many people who, mostly voluntary, work with refugees and immigrants and the hoops they need go through to get something going is astounding and simply sad. Many people who want to build a livelihood here, learn German, get a job, build families are denied that because of reasons, mostly bureaucracy and absurd laws and can't do that. Their past got taken away by bombings, their future is unsure - this would be highly frustrating for everyone.

We lack even basic funding for German courses. People aren't allowed to work even if they want to and they find jobs with the help of immigration workers. But they are denied. How then are they supposed to integrate?

It's maddening for them very often. I've personally known people who have been, well, model citizens for years and years and still they have to fear to be ejected from the country. Back to "safe" countries like Afghanistan.

_tiredofthebullshit34 karma

Ah. Typical leftist tragedy. Conflate being concerned over unchecked immigration of people who can't or won't assimilate with hate. And just to squash opposition, you take that conflation, accuse anyone with an opinion differing from the establishment or status quo of hate and make it a crime to express such opinions.

Know who else attempted that? Give you a hint... happened not far from there... Say about 80 years ago or so... WOAH! Lookie there! Maybe there is a Nazi problem!

DangerousDetlef27 karma

It's like you're quoting from the populism dictionary.

"No! There's no nazi problem! There's a migration problem! And if you don't think so, maybe YOU ARE THE NEW NAZI! Because you don't respect my opinion."

I respect these opinions. I also don't like the immigration politics in Germany, although for different reasons than you are. What I don't respect is populism, what I don't respect is generalization. No, I don't think that every AfD voter is a Nazi, I don't even think that every member of the party is Nazi. But I do see these structures, this way of thinking, of speaking, of making politics. And it is frightening how similar it is to what happened, as you said, 80 years ago.

I don't claim to have all the answers or be right all the time, but I am very certain where the most danger is coming from right now, and it's neither immigrants nor "leftists".

umnz13 karma

Why is the far right attracted to Dresden so much, when so many other cities were destroyed during WWII? And what in your opinion is the cause of the far right's rise in Germany and in Europe?

DangerousDetlef38 karma

That is a very good question which I can't even fathom to answer correctly in full. But I will try to give my view of this.

Let me start from top to bottom: The far right's rise in Germany and in Europe (and in the USA, for that matter) stems from many things but one of the bigger ones is globalism in combination with capitalism. That sounds like socialist propaganda to many, but let me explain: If you look at election statistics, you will see that right wing leaning is far more frequent in rural areas, be it Germany or almost any country. Our modern world leaves this rural areas behind, people are flocking to the cities whereas rural towns and villages get left behind. The price of living goes up, even there, but there's not enough work or it's not paid enough. And whereas many "city people" grow up to be more cosmopolitan these days that is often not the case for people from rural areas. There is a real difference in mentality here. This and the feeling of "being left behind" lets people turn to other solutions, to turn their back to big politics and cooperation - a role which is often filled by far right, nationalist or even fascist groups or parties.

Why Dresden especially? Well, it's not Dresden itself. Or only part of it. Dresden is a very large city by area (in German standards at least) and many parts of the city are so far out they are in fact rural towns themselves. But this is only one part of the equation. Dresden is the capital of Saxony, a so called "new" state, because it was part of the former German Democratic Republic (GDR). The far right is especially active here and finds many followers. This also has many reasons, one of them being that Saxons are a proud people with a rich history, so nationalism is stronger here than in many other states. But also of course because many people of the former GDR feel "betrayed". In 1989, they thought they were finally free, the wall fell and now everything would get better. Instead though, capitalism took over. Many people lost their job and the ripples are still felt today. Even right now, the difference in net income between East and West Germany is at around 8%. These people are disappointed, since the "Wende" didn't give them what they hoped for and many feel that they were better of then than they are now (which, in some cases, is surely correct).

Of course, the GDR was doomed but still many, especially older people, want to have the good old times back. They weren't as free, they couldn't get as much stuff, but they were content and the world was easier. This is where the far right swoops in, criticizing the current establishment and campaigning with promises they will do everything differently. How they do it and what is probably too much for this answer, which already got out of hand text-wise now that I read it again, but I hope this answers your question (at least partly).

Malicei8 karma

What is the situation in Dresden like, for the majority of parliament to approve of a Nazi emergency and reject a climate emergency? I'm curious because declaring a climate emergency has prior precedent with other cities doing it and climate change being in the news more recently, making me think it would be easier to pass such a thing since it's a hot topic lately. So it does make me wonder how pressing the situation is of the rise of the far right in Germany is, for this to be passed and declared.

I noticed in comments on the threads about the nazi emergency that people were referring to your party as a satire party - would you call this an accurate description? It sounds like you guys do have defined political views and do get involved in politics more than just bringing attention/satirising politics, which is what I might have assumed from such a label. Has it been hard to be taken seriously as a smaller party and one with such a name/views?

Lastly, I also want to know if you guys get pirate hats to wear.

DangerousDetlef13 karma

Hey there, thanks for those thorough questions. Let's see:

1) So normally we do have more right leaning and more left leaning parties. They both split the local parliament almost half in half. When the climate change emergency got voted on, two of the left leaning members voted against it, which made it fail very closely. Their reasoning behind this: they want to be careful with the word "emergency", because emergency acts played a huge part in getting Hitler to power. But, in my opinion at least, this was completely different, since the constitution in the so called "Weimarer Republic", which helped Hitler to seize power, is very different from the modern one we do have. Surprisingly though, with the "Nazi emergency" we got support from some - typically - more right leaning parties and members of the parliament, which led to majority voting for it. Please bear in mind that I use "left" and "right" very loosely here, to help me simplify the explanation. Also, left and right are defined differently here than in other countries like, for example, the USA.

2) You got that mixed up :) Although I can see why you think that the "Pirate Party" is the satirical one, we are in fact not. The "Pirate Party" movement started in 2006 in Sweden as a party for "digital natives", focusing on internet and technology aspects of politics, which have both been very much selected. To this day, our spectrum broadened and digital, while still an important part of our politics, is one of many. We are successful in many different European countries, manly in the Czech Republic and Iceland, but also here in Germany we do have members in many different local parliaments.

Now the party you're talking about is "DIE PARTEI" (meaning "THE PARTY" in English). Yes, they are a satirical party, but they do promote their work really good and they do make good politics. Often with a front of satire but behind this is more often than not a very social and liberal intention. One member is part of the (unofficial) parliamentary group in Dresden together with one member of our party and another of a third party. This parliamentary group is the one who proposed this "Nazi emergency". The one from DIE PARTEI is the person who originally initiated it. In the end, it was a team effort, but the media likes to take the spin that sells best and in this case it's that this comes from the satirical party. They deserve it, though.

I'm just here by accident, because I saw the post on the front page and made this AMA in reaction to it.

3) Well, we don't get one from the party but it's highly encouraged to do so, of course :) Some members do this regularly. Also, we do have our own boat!

Gaulbat8 karma

So basically what you're telling me is that pirates and nazis are going to war, and it's going down in germany?

DangerousDetlef15 karma

What? No... it course it's not like..

You know what? Sure. That's how it is ;)

rattatally7 karma

Hi, thanks for doing this AMA!

I'm curious, what's your opinion on universal basic income for Germany (and potentially other countries). I've heard different opinions from different members of the Pirate Party. Where do you stand on this issue?

DangerousDetlef18 karma

I fully support the idea of a universal basic income. As does the majority of the party here in Germany, since this is part of our program and was voted in by our members.

I strongly believe that in a few years the way we view at work will change drastically. Industrial revolution and the rise of Information technology up until will be nothing compared against what awaits us here. AI, intelligent software, robots - this will drastically change many industries. And not only factories and productions, but also in the service sector. This will mean that many jobs as we know it today won't exist anymore. And this is a good thing, a very good thing! Or rather, it can be. If the whole of society profits from this change, as it should. Tools should be there to make the lives of people easier. But as of right now, if it goes on like this, many people will lose their livelihood and will have nothing. So we need something to correct this, and an universal basic income could be the correct answer.

minute146 karma

Do you think that the far-right will rise again in Germany and Europe to the extent it did in the past? If so, can it be stopped?

DangerousDetlef9 karma

Yes, I think this entirely possible. I'm no history expert, but if you read some books and listen to some podcasts by experts, you will recognize the patterns. And it's not like it's something remotely similar, we are talking about details here - speech patterns, populism, seeing the "left" as the universal evil and so on. We surely are better prepared for this, especially in Germany. I really hope that the far-right reached their peak here.

This is also why I hope that this is preventable. Of course we do have a big movement on the other side, not only left but also center, libertarian and so on. This often gets drowned in the media only talking about the far-right, but as of today they still are a minority. This of course is different in other countries, for example Poland, where the current government is far-right and already starting with oppressive measures - e.g. with their new law that threatens teachers with up to 3 years of jail time if the teach anything about sexual education.

It's.. a sad future, combined with climate change, we are looking at right now. But it's very, very important to not give up. Hitler gained power not because he had a majority of followers but because his opponents (in politics, industry and people) gave up, let it happen or worked with him. So the important thing is to keep up, and not give up. If we do, I see a very bleak future for us and especially the generation that comes next.

motram19 karma

This is also why I hope that this is preventable.

You said in this very post that "(You) can't even fathom to answer correctly" the question of why these groups are apparently rising.

Why in the world should anyone listen to you trying to prevent something you don't even understand?

Even if you get your emergency passed, how can you even hope to combat your perceived problem when you admittedly can't even fathom why these groups are allegedly happening?

DangerousDetlef2 karma

Going by this logic, politics shouldn't exist at all - some think anarchy is a valid solution, I don't. Almost every political problem is so vast and complex that nobody has a complete and correct answer.

If it's your view that someone needs to know the reason for everything before they can act on a problem, fine. I'm more likely to mistrust someone who claims to know it all and have a perfect (and simple solution). The emergency declaration has many points that tackle some of the reasons I explained here. I'm pretty sure there are many, many more, some more present, some less. But I'd never think of claiming to know them all.

konalight-3 karma

Your analysis are spot on. Don't let the Breitbart chills tell you otherwise. They have a specific agenda, and it's not one where the well-being of Germane people has any kind of significance. If I could I would give you my vote! Keep up the good work!

DangerousDetlef2 karma

Thanks for the support and kind words :)

KeronKenken3 karma

First of all: Thanks Mr. König for your engagement !

Since the party you belong to was founded as a satirical group and its becoming more and more obvious to the general public that you're able and willing to make "real politics", how does the discourse within the very good party "Die Partei" develop ?
Could you give some examples of change since becoming .. more serious ?
How many of your party members wish to get back to just being witty and following the GröVaz' line ?


DangerousDetlef3 karma

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie :)

bestminipc2 karma

what % is this 'party' out of all parties? in this nations and other nations

DangerousDetlef11 karma

You mean, how many percent of the votes we get? We're but a small party, mostly active in local governments. This is mostly the only chance for small parties to get a foot in parliament politics, since we do have a "5% barrier" for all state and country elections. It's shame, though, because I believe political diversity is important, even if this would mean some far-right outliers would get a seat.

So, to answer your question, below 5% in most of the bigger elections. We got 1 seat in the EU parliament from Germany and 3 more from the Czech Republic, where the Pirate Party is pretty successful and part of the national parliament (and also of the parliament in Prague, where the mayor is also a Pirate). In Iceland the party is also part of the national parliament.

There are many Pirate Parties in different European countries, organized under the European Pirate Parties (PPEU) and world wide under the International Pirate Parties (PPI).

seventhcatbounce2 karma

is your party named after the edelweiss pirates?

DangerousDetlef6 karma

No, the Pirate Party movement started 2006 in Sweden, with a digital and copyright focused agenda. The name comes from "pirates" on the internet, especially "The Pirate Bay".

DutyCorp1 karma

Have you sail the sea with other party members?

DangerousDetlef4 karma

No, I haven't.. yet. Definitely on my bucket list :)

goatsandboats691 karma

We have the same last name! You have any family in the Netherlands?

DangerousDetlef4 karma

No that I know of. It's not a common name here in Germany, but also not a very rare one. It means "King" in German, if you didn't know :)

Fakename998-15 karma

A lot of people in the US are seeing this as well. What advice or caution can you give us for dealing with the threats of these bad actors?

DangerousDetlef7 karma

Sadly, I don't have a correct answer for this. It's really hard because the reasons for turning to right-wing groups are so manifold that a simple answer cannot be given here.

Many people are also to far into this. I really believe that you can't get them back. Good news though is that I don't think that this is a majority.

For adults, it's hard to do something by yourself. Changes that need to happen here need to happen on a larger scale. As I said in another comment, I think that many people in rural areas are susceptible for far-right theories, since they feel the most threatened by globalism and the changes it brings, whereas people in the city are more cosmopolitan and react more positively to these changes. Here we need to find solutions which help those people and their lifestyle be more included in our current society. Livable wages, more culture, support in education etc.

Your best bet though is the youth. Not the city youth though, most of them are already growing up more cosmopolitan. But the rural youth are the ones who are most likely to fall prey to nationalists and fascist groups. Here it is important to have better education on the issue, within schools and outside them, perspective for their future as well as alternatives in cultural offers (be it sports, arts or anything else).

UKnick-22 karma

What do you think about the Germans being executed by migrants at German train stations every other week?

DangerousDetlef60 karma

I think I'd like to have a source for this statement.