I am a magician. My girlfriend and I just fooled Penn and Teller on the season premiere of Penn & Teller: Fool Us. AMA (except how we did our trick)

do you lose the "magic" feeling while doing magic tricks? (as someone who watches magic tricks it does actually give me a sense of "magic" but I'm curious if you kinda miss out on that as the one doing the trick :D

I thought I replied to this one but I don't see it now?

Either way, it's a great questions. While we certainly experience illusions differently from our end, for us the magic is in the reactions we get, and it really is a great feeling to see that feeling of wonder in people's eyes

Given that answer, how do you feel about Nolan's "The prestige?"

I think it's the best movie about magic ever made. When I was a kid I didn't like the ending/that anything supernatural was in it, but now I appreciate it more for the feeling it gives you. Also gets into rivalries, old illusions, and even a nod to real magicians of the era.

Jumping on this reply just to say that I saw you two perform in the Signature Show at the Chicago Magic Lounge last year on my birthday, and the show was equal parts amazing and adorable. It was my daughter’s first live magic show, and we’re both big fans now. Thanks for helping keep the art alive!

That's so nice! Your bday must be coming up again soon then, happy birthday! Chicago's my home town so I have a soft spot for it, and the Lounge was beautiful. Hopefully you and your daughter can make it out next time we're there and say hi!

What’s the process like of being on that show? I’ve always wondered if the magicians have to reveal the method of their trick to a producer so they can’t lie about the method when Penn and Teller make their guesses?

And did you two meet through performing magic together?

Being on the show was a great experience. We needed to submit our audition to producers who approved it, and then yes, there is a magic consultant on the show that we went over some of the more magic-intensive details with so that he could be the arbiter when they make their guesses.

Yes we met in the LA magic scene! We both hosted magic shows and invited each other to be a part of them. We were friends for years and then started working together 2 years ago... and started dating a few months after that! Now that's magic :D

How did you do your trick?

We did it so well we won a trophy!

As someone that obviously is into Magic. And while it may seem obvious since you went on their show. Thoughts on P&T? Do they seem pretty genuine, or is it good editing? Do you think they're problematic by exposing how some tricks are done?

10 out of 10 recommend meeting them. Don't know them super well, but what they've done for magicians with this show is incredible. They let US upload the clip of our performance to YouTube so that we can benefit from all the views. What other TV show would let their guests do that?

While it can certainly be problematic for magicians to expose secrets, I think P&T have found the proper way to do it many times. They really just reveal antiquated ideas, only to pull a fast one on the audience and fool them a different way. It's sort of a classic magic plot at this point to do that, and I'd say they invented that style

Isn't she your fiance now?

The deal was if you fooled them you would be engaged.

I expected you to drop to a knee as the trophy came down.

When we shot the interview (the day before) we did that as a kind of joke, because we NEVER expected to fool them. But now... well now I guess the pressure is on! I just need to think of a really cool way to propose... we always knew we'd get married just never thought the timeline would be this quick haha

Proposing while the trophy was coming down would have been pretty cool...

In retrospect, yes, but I did NOT think that far ahead haha. We actually had spent much more time preparing what we'd do if we DIDN'T fool them haha

I can tell the future...you'll know I speak truth when the time is right...I predict you will pop the question by way of magic.

I think so too :D

It's been 856 days, can you finally make my dad reappear?

We tried that with our own dads but it didn't work. Sorry

Do they take longer than is shown on the show to work it out or is that about right?

Definitely. The interview we did with Brooke was probably 5-10 minutes, but on TV it appears to be much shorter. It's that way with everyone who appears on the show, because P&T want to really think it through fully

Why are most of the replies removed?

Are they? I'm not good at Reddit but I haven't removed anything except for a reply I accidentally made twice... I hope I'm seeing everything!

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You answered a lot of the questions on another account somehow. The mods removed those comments

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The other account you were using:

https://www.reddit.com/user/ericthirstin

Oh whoops. I must have forgot I had an account and created a new one. I'll have to remove that other one now. Thanks for letting me know!

Did you tell P and T how you did it at the end??

Also that was amazing.

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Okay thats pretty cool and also makes a lot of sense. Has ANYONE figured it out?

Is there a secret group of magicians you two workshop this stuff with?

Not sure if I replied to this, but yes we definitely have some magicians we collaborate with here in LA.

Most of the people who have guessed our method are way off, but if you piece together what certain people have said, like in YouTube comments, then yes, it's been figured out. Then again, on YouTube people can go back, rewatch, zoom in, etc... giving them a pretty big advantage over watching it live

Penn always jokes that really the contestants just have to fool teller. Is this true or is Penn being modest?

I've heard that's true. Teller has more of the encyclopedic magic mind between the two of them. Penn is a damn good performer though.

I`m not a magician, but have been around magic and I really enjoy seeing Magicians do Magic for other Magicians. I also really like the in jokes and secret communication to other Magicians you can pick up over time. The story of a trick is always the best part for me, even if I see how it's done or know how it's likely done it's still always a delight when the 3 of clubs gets pulled from somewhere unexpected.

Do you have a favourite trick you do for other Magicians? Or a story about something you learned from being fooled by one?

Agreed, the story of a trick can often be better than the trick itself. I think that's why Asi Wind has the most viewed appearance on Fool Us.

Lately our favorite trick we do together is this Vegas-style dance routine/3-card monte premise. We do it to this song that was in every magic special in the 90s, so it feels very much like an inside joke for magicians/fans of magic. On our YouTube channel, you can see clips from it at the very end of our promo video.

What type of stuff do you expect people to ask if it can’t be about the trick?

Also, how did you do the trick?

How did we do it? We did it so well that we won a trophy :D

What started your interest in doing magic tricks? What was your first one? Have you ever seen Penn & Teller live?

I (Eric) got started early. My dad Mel was a magician in Chicago.

Elizabeth got a magic set for Xmas when she was young.

We've seen P&T many times. They're our magic heroes! Which made the experience of performing for them live incredibly daunting.

Elizabeth's first trick was the Svengali Deck and mine was linking rubber bands.

This brings me back to High School when I worked at a local magic shop here in Denver. Zeezo’s Magic Castle. I still have a box of my old gimmick decks and coin tricks somewhere, Svengali, Invisible, Scotch and Soda, cups and balls. I should break them out, try to remember how to do them, and amaze my kids.

Classics. Be sure to practice before you perform for their friends!

Have you ever seen Penn & Teller Get Killed, and if so, how are you able to explain their continued status of being alive to be fooled by you?

Haha, unfortunately we missed that one, but as usual, I wouldn't trust a magician... from the looks of it, they are very much alive

Fun routine!

Here's some questions:

How do you think Penn and Teller changed magic?

What other currently active magicians do you admire?

Do you have an opinion of Harry Houdini as a magician?

In more recent times, Penn & Teller have changed magic by giving so many magicians like us a great platform to share their work.

Back in the day, they changed magic by making it cool again!

We admire Pop Haydn, Rob Zabrecky, The Sentimentalists, and Carisa Hendrix aka Lucy Darling

I think Houdini was an incredible showman and self-promoter so in that way I respect him a lot as a magician.

Did you have any kind of formative moment of seeing magic in childhood that struck you with its beauty and made you love magic?

For Elizabeth: When she first saw the Masked Magician on those Fox specials. She was throughly enchanted by the craftiness that goes into illusions. Obviously it's not a great show for magicians (lol), but it introduced her to the craft!

For Eric: I saw a lot of the greatest magicians in the world as a kid growing up in this world. For me, Tina Lennert's "Mop Man" routine is what inspired me to do this. It's heartwarming and maybe the single greatest variety routine of all time.

What was the first trick you performed that made you think 'Yes, I want to do this professionally'?

For me (Eric) it was a trick I did maybe 6 years ago with a friend called, "The Amazing Disappearing Fifth of Rum." We went by The New Bad Boys of Magic and while it felt more like sketch comedy, it also really fooled people and they wanted to know how it was done. I forgot how powerful magic could be, because I had been out of the scene for so long, but that reminded me and made me think it was possible to do this for a living

I do "The Amazing Disappearing Fifth of Rum" pretty much every Saturday night, sometimes even multiple times! Does that mean I could be a professional magician?

Hmm, with those drinking habits, you might be more cut out to be a professional comedian

Was this your card? 🃏

It WAS!

How did you execute the mysterious performance?

Mysteriously

How did you do your illusion?

So well that we fooled Penn & Teller and won an award

Do you come up with your own tricks? If so, what inspires you?

We do come up with a lot of our own material, though sometimes we borrow effects from other magicians we know and try to make them our own. The diary effect we performed on the show was our own creation but it borrowed from aspects of mentalism and book tests as well.

Luckily there is an incredible community of magicians we've met through the Magic Castle, including people like Trigg, Griffin, Tyler Rabbit, David Gabbay, Sirinda, Dana Pleasant, and a whole bunch of others we don't have time to list inspire us all the time

Since we're on the topic of magic... Why are all of your replies disappearing? Absolutely loved the routine

Unfortunately tech wizardry is not my specialty... I have no idea! I hope you can still see most everything

Also, thank you for watching it! We're so appreciative

Apparently I was logged in on a different device on an old account... whoops! The mods deleted those other comments

I swear, these guys never summon the powers of darkness to fool them, why even compete?

I feel like some magicians HAVE someoned the power of darkness to fool them. See Ondrej's routines. He's fooled them several times. I think it's the beetle he eats that helps him confer with supernatural entities maybe?? I don't know but he fools us every time!

I'm late to the party, but loved your reactions when they said you fooled them. Especially Elizabeth who was almost in tears. Their final question to Elizabeth and her answer were intriguing. Could you explain that or would it give too much away?.

Congrats!

Apparently P&T had a trick like that years ago where that really was the method. The pictures appeared different but could all be described the same way.

ALL the same way... as Elizabeth said, that's not true. Ours is a bit more complicated.

This question is for Eric, and it requires no answer... Can you propose to her using a magic trick that even surprises her...? 🤔

That's what I'm working on now... If I can pull it off it'll be a miracle but I'm gonna try!

Probably too late, but curious, did Teller break character at all around yall?

My folks saw them decades ago and took my grandparents and met them backstage (my old man also practices the dark arts) and my grandmother was PISSED Teller wouldn't break character and talk to her.

Back then I think they were much more stringent with that part of their act as it was late 90s.

We've both seen him break character, but only because we're in the magic world. I'm not sure how strict he is with it these days.

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We like Brooke better because we know her! She was incredibly smart, professional, beautiful, and charming to meet.

I'm sure Alyson is lovely too but we're biased haha.

When was your performance filmed?

We shot it back in August, and had to keep the outcome a secret for the past few months... glad we can finally talk about it!

What advice would you give someone who wants to learn magic?

Elizabeth's advice is to surround yourself with positive people who support you.

I'd also suggest trying to find a mentor or a club near you. While books/videos on magic are important, it's really something that you need to do in front of people to get better, and you want to practice in front of other magicians who can give you advice before taking it out into the real world!

How did you not do your trick?

Magnets

Are you familiar with the clip of Penn’s daughter surprising him on the show, and knowing the inside structure of the show, do you think she genuinely fooled them or was it scripted to make good TV?

Pretty sure everything is scripted

For reality TV, Fool Us is actually pretty much exactly what you see. No scripts (except during the routines, of course)

who smells nicer penn or teller?

Tie

What was it like to work with the famous Matt 'The Mind Noodler' Donnelly?

Was he as funny in person as he seems on his multi-award winning podcast, The Ice Cream Social?

Did he give you one of the coveted Poker Chips?

How much of the time on sec with The Mind Noodler was he in character -- or did he pretend to be just a regular Joe?

Is there a lot of buzz on set about his Patreon, and it's bonus content with behind the scenes stories aboutFool Us on his Abracababble podcast?

Do you see yourself working with Matt, The Mind Noodler Donnelly again?

Haha, we never saw him on set but did get the chance to meet and chat with him. Super funny and nice guy.

I HOPE we work with Matt, The Mind Noodler Donnelly again! Anytime anywhere!

Who is your favorite fictional magician and why is it Job?

I think we've made a huge mistake... not talking about Job earlier.

My favorite sketch about magic is in Tim Robinson's show I Think You Should Leave, Season 1 Episode 3 I believe. It's so so so good.

Where did you both learn magic tricks?(is there any course or study?)

Eric's dad was a magician in Chicago, so he got involved that way. Elizabeth got involved through the magic scene in LA, ie Magic Castle/Black Rabbit Rose.

If you're looking to get into it, I'd suggest finding a magic club nearby and learning from others.

Frist off 1 3 5, and congratulations my question is will any of you two get a hair cut your like Dan Harlan has on the cover of his rubber band DVDs?

We're actually both getting "Ammar" cuts next time we're at the salon

Thank you for your IAmA. Enjoying reading your answers about the show, and glad they finally brought back the live audience. How long / how many magicians do they do in a day for the episodes? Wondering as a week of game shows would all be taped on a single day back in the day and wondering if that is the same with that show.

I'm not sure how they always do it, but the night we taped I think there were 5 acts and the show/taping lasted about 3 hours.

Hey, can I send you a pm? I had an idea about a variation of the existing 'mentalism' style acts and would love your feedback?

Might be something you can use as I'm not a magician.

Obviously you have watched the show. Who is your favourite act(s) from fool us?

Asi Wind has one of the best, and Shin Lim obviously. We also watched Jonathan Burns the other day and were blown away, so so funny. A lot of our friends have gone on and we're so proud of their work.

What's next on the horizon?

Maybe another competition show. Maybe cruises. Elizabeth has an album coming out next year and Eric has a book that will hopefully follow soon after.

How long did it take, as in train and practice for you guys to pull this trick off? ? Have you ever been deceived by something like it before or do you catch it every time?

It's a routine we made about a year-and-a-half ago, but challenged ourselves to do it without cards for the show (because there are so many card tricks on Fool Us). Took a couple months of really hard work to turn it into the version you saw.

Can you confirm there was more than one different pictures in the first trick? P&T made a wrong guess that they where all the same, does it also mean there was also more than one?

Yes, while that's a theory I'm seeing a lot on YouTube, there were about 20 pictures in the diary (not sure why it took Brooke so long to find one--we tested that trick many times and it never took someone so long to find a picture).

And while it was a solid guess by P&T, no, all the pictures could not be described the same way

I think she was looking for like a printed photo and maybe misunderstood until Elizabeth I think clarified they were drawings. Like, I dont think Brooke was looking for the doodles I guess?

You guys were pretty cute though, well done for fooling them!

I think you're right. We tested that out at about 20 shows, and it never took someone that long to find a picture. She probably did think we meant like a photo... Maybe next time I'll say doodle or sketch or something.

Nice catch!

Does magic ever come up in the bedroom… if you know what I mean? ;)

Improv comes up more than magic...

I've always been a bit confused about magic acts. Obviously you aren't doing real magic, so it's really cool to see the things you can make a convincing illusion of.

For me, I see a magic act and it's a puzzle. It's like a murder mystery movie. In the same way you say "Wow, so who killed her?" you say "Wow, so where did the card come from?"

So when I see a magic act that ends and the person walks off stage, it feels profoundly unsatisfying. It's like if a murder mystery rolled credits and that was it. You have all the buildup with none of the payoff.

Some magicians do show their methods at the end - such as, indeed, Penn and Teller. Good examples are their SNL "Are we live? Yeah!" skit, and their "Blast Off" which they performed once with traditional props and again with transparent ones.

So my question is, why is it so uncommon for magicians to show the methods they used? Usually the execution and the practice is the majority of the work (I wouldn't be able to just watch it and replicate it), so I don't see the harm in letting me know. To me when I see the "solution", it makes the trick 10x cooler, because now I can have the understanding to say "Wow, that's so clever, it's amazing that you came up with that", versus the solutionless delivery where all I can say is "Well, you probably did something cool".

Even here, your one stipulation is that you don't want people to ask how you did it, so my question is, why do you want it to be such a secret?

It can definitely be more impressive to know how some tricks are done. Most of the time I've found that it's more of a let down though. Just depends on the trick. P&T have played around with the premise of exposing things before and made it work really well for them. I know they got a lot of flack from the community though when they were starting out.

I think the idea of keeping a secret is a historical magic thing that's supposed to protect the art form. With so many people on instagram and tiktok stealing/revealing other people's tricks now I was sort of worried myself, but magic seems to not be hurt at all by that. People still love to see it live, are fooled by unique tricks.

Do you like strawberries or raspberries more?

From Elizabeth: Strawberries

Also from Elizabeth: But she prefers strawberry soda

What's your favorite trick (that someone else does)?

And what's your favorite trick that you perform?

And is your favorite the hardest one?

Someone else- Tom Stone's "Whose Box is This" routine which I think he did on Fool Us

Our favorite trick right now is this Vegas-style 3-Card Monte routine.

It's one of the easiest actually, but it still fools most people and is the most fun to perform.

Why is your OP account name different than the account name you're answering questions from?

I'm not sure, but they're both me! I don't use Reddit much so I can't explain why. Maybe one is my username or something?