IamA veteran of 5 1/2 years in the active duty USMC (1998-2003). 3 days after I got out, I sent out 50 resumes, got denied on all of them so I volunteered to go to Iraq and went to war for 5 1/2 months. AMA!
January 1998-July 2003
MCRD OKINAWA CHERRY POINT NC 26 MEU
Here's me in the middle in Iraq https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1450570866274&set=t.1172962934&type=3&theater
It was totally a result of the economy at the time. About a year later I was hired at my company because the manager was ex military.
I had the opposite experience. I ended up having to drop my 3 years Airborne from my resume and fudge some dates. Next week my phone was ringing off the hook. Civies have the thought process grunt=stupid which is actually inaccurate in my experience. I even had a full on phd psychologist in my OSUT. Finished his med school and wanted to serve his country. Hell, I scored 93 on the ASVAB and basically had to fight to get an Airborne contract because the army wanted me doing the "smart" jobs.
EDIT: Case in point, look at the animosity in the replies for someone who took 3 years out of their life to serve their country. SMH
Haha sounds about right. Sounds like you made out ok though?
Just because he is ex-military? See, that's where I have a problem. I'm all for supporting troops, but if someone is more qualified for a job but is passed over because the other applicant is a veteran is not okay. I'm not saying that was the case with your situation, but it does happen.
Well let me clarify, There were only three people for the job and none were too qualified, he actively seemed me out internally because I had electronics background, so he KNEW me because of military service. I didn't beat out a higher qualified candidate.
I'm sure stuff like that happens, but so does hiring pretty girls, HR cases and buddies of the boss.
Do you see Iraq turning into a stable democracy or do you think it will become a region plagued by violence and instability for decades to come. Based off your thoughts, do you think it was a wise/correct decision for the U.S. to have invaded?
My personal opinion is a little flawed, I had just gotten back from Afghanistan and now from my point of view we were getting sent back to start something else so-to-speak. On the opinion that Saddam and his kids were horrible people, I think that needed taken care of...on the WMD issue, it's my opinion that there wasn't any and it was a scapegoat in a sense.
What was your job in the marine corps, and what civ jobs did you apply to? What's your post corps plans now?
I was a 5937 aviation radio tech that partnered with an infantry unit. When I got out I sent 50 resumes to electronics corporations. We were in a recession for the industry and two weeks later when I called on them, 13 of the businesses had closed and most were doing layoffs.
I'm currently an MMA coach (just for kicks) and and engineer at a semiconductor factory.
HAAA!!! not all jokes aside?
no thats true haha
this may come off as a rude question, which isn't intended, but do you think being a veteran should have any influence on you getting hired over any other candidate that applies for a job? if so, why?
No, not at all. I know the benefits that come with service and knew it from the start and I don't expect anything more than that. If someone is more qualified, job should be theirs
It sucks that you fired off 50 resume's and got nothing but did you ever think of joining a union and finding a construction job, It's what I did they will take anyone regardless of skill they even have some training programs, well with my union anyway, I now run my own crew out here in nevada anyway man if you ever become unemployed hit me up ill direct ya where to go :)
I appreciate it man. I had a specific industry and I needed immediate benefits for varying reasons. I had some options but nothing that could cover costs I had with new kid, no house. I felt the military would give my local industry options time to recover and luckily they did.
Well man if the need ever arises let me know glad to see a vet doing well and thanks for your service.
I appreciate it, you're the man.
Hi I am 19 and am considering joining the Marines, I guess any tips or things you wish someone told you? Basically any advice you have would be great. And thank you for your service.
do what you're told, keep your nose clean And enjoy the ride. Boot camp is all a mind game and looking back it was a great time and makes for great stories.
Oh and before you sign, make sure you get the college fund included...not just the GI bill..you'll be glad you did.
My apologies in advance for my general ignorance. What's the difference between all these different branches of the military over in the states? For example the difference between the army and the marines, the navy and the coastguard as this is very confusing for an Australian. Also do you believe the toppling of the Saddheim (not sure about spelling) has made life better for the general Iraqi public? Also when you were over there what was the publics sentiment ? IE very anti American and pro Saddheim.
Also (sorry I think I've over used this by now) thanks for this AMA and I suppose your service.
Edit: thanks for explaining the differences to me.
Here it's more of an ego thing between services and the easiest way is to break it down like this: USMC - 12 week bootcamp Army - 8 Air Force - 6
At least that's what I rememeber, so you can see where "I'm more awesome than you because I did more" comes in...it's all ego to some extent.
Marines and navy are same department and they cover sea and land mainly..some air.
Air Force is air, army is ground and choppers. Of course there's more to it, but that's a basic rundown. Sorry about my spelling, I'm on a phone.
I think te people of Iraq are better off without sadden and his two kids, but that's my opinion
The Air Force's basic training is 8 weeks long.
my mistake, thanks.
I think when you say 'some air' for the Navy is a bit of an understatement. One of our air craft carriers (I've only heard this, but it kinda makes sense) has a stronger/larger air force then 70% of the world. The Navy alone is ranked among the top air forces in the world.
Well it was generalities, I'm an f-18 fan (navy). Love em
Where in Oki were you? I was on Camp Hansen with 3/12
Did you try Amazon? They hire a lot of military for their operations teams: http://www.amazonfulfillmentcareers.com/opportunities/military/
I'm employed now, but thank you.
So there have been various rumors for quite sometime that the USMC plays some part in the cultivation and smuggling of Opium/H into the United States. We all know the government has been caught various times in the past (see Iran Contra Affair) bringing narcs into the United States, so I have no reason to believe they have stopped.
What are your viewpoints on this? Did you see anything related to this activity during your work in the army?
I hope they get caught. I never saw anything like that
Marine brat, Camp Kinser, 86-91 represent!!!
Boooooo! great karaoke night on Kinser though. :)
Do you think the public's infatuation with the Marine Corps has any downside? Does it detract from the reputation of your sister services? No disrespect meant; the best people I know are Marines. I just don't think the rivalry is always healthy in a volunteer force when it's aching for volunteers. (I.e. The army in 2006)
There are downsides to anything...I mean you can see it in some of these comments and questions. I think anyone that goes into the military is doing a job they don't have to.. That being said, I don't think public view waves as much as it does internally
What's your MOS?
It was 5937/39
Advice for anyone going in?
Just do what you're told and play the game so to speak. also I mentioned to someone else on here...before signing make sure you sign up for the college fund - it's different from the Gi bill
What are you up to now since this was about 10 years ago?
I'm a semiconductor engineer and mma coach to stay busy (it's fun)
You and I had very similar careers, albeit on opposite coasts. I was on the 15th MEU that teamed up with you guys to form TF58 and secure Rhino and Kandahar, and like you I ended up part of the initial invasion of Iraq 16 months later. I came in in '98 and got out in '03... but I stayed in Hawaii and got a job when I got out. Good times.... never thought it was AMA worthy, so nice to see people are curious about our sort of experience. Cheers & Semper Fi.
Shoot man, we were probably at Rhino the same time. What was you MOS? When were you in Oki?
What is your opinion on the Ukrainian and Russian conflict?
Is what it is right? From my understanding a civil war brewing? I don't know enough to really give an opinion of the outcome. What do you think?
Oorah Devil Dog. I'm also a USMC veteran (0311 in an LAR, served 99-02, out a bit early on medical). I now have a bachelor's degree, a good chunk of work experience and have always done VERY well (I scored 99 percentile on my ASVAB and a 1440 on the old 1600 range SAT, needless to say the recruiter was floored when I asked for Infantry). I've often felt like putting veteran background on your resume, even when it was over a decade ago now, can really hurt, what do you think? Security jobs and other "blue collar" type stuff I've done (factory work during summers in college for example) it helps, but anything white collar and career? Not so much.
I don't put it on now, I agree with leaving it out after a while.
What is your opinion on US Troops being deployed to Eastern Europe for the time being?
I honestly don't have one. There are politics with every deployment.
Why would a company dent you? A person who was in the military who worked the absolute hardest that many people combined in their entire life time.
Anyways, when combat comes and when you have to kill someone, do you get really, really guilty? Or times, (please be honest) do you enjoy killing terrorist?
Well if there isn't room in the company there isn't. Would have cost them money to hire me for work they didn't need
What do you think about the reception veterans usually get (patriotism, "we support our troops", meh etc)?
my personal opinion is that it's very thick and patriotic in spurts. the deployed come home, there are flags everywhere and a week later nothing. Obviously there are exceptions and vets tend to help each other out forever...check out some of the responses on here like "RAH" "Semper fi" and "devil dog"...those are all marines or marine vets. I don't know em, but I'll help them out at the drop of the hat and they would too. It's a brotherhood.
I've been doing lots of reading about resumes and getting hired at jobs the last few years (I was just out of college and looking). The general consensus for the high number of veterans that i kept seeing was poorly written resumes. Basically civilian HR departments had little knowledge of military knowledge to know if a candidate was acceptable, vs the normal qualification they would see in a civilian resume from in experience/college. I know personally, I had to overhaul my resume multiple times just to move around different emphasis to different parts of my experiences. This always made huge changes in the number of calls I got. From multiple HR department AMA's here on reddit, it seems HR departments only spend a few seconds on average looking at any given resume, so you have to catch their attention fast.
Articles kept mentioning the small amount of resources and low usage rates of these resources for veterans to get their resume reworked for the civilian world. How many drafts of your resume did you have? Did you have any help preparing it?
They had a resume writing class towards the end. Obviously ten years later and some college my resume is a lot better.. I'm not sure if there is any assistance now but it was very basic.
This is a serious question, does the average US marine (over the age of 25) actually think they are fighting to preserve US freedom and are keeping us safe?
I say over the age of 25 because I know at a younger age people are more susceptible to hive mind mentality.
I wouldn't know, we're all still different people with different opinions
I knew a girl that was an Arabic translator. She got out of so much crap work because they had to keep her available
Hi! What's your favorite number? Is it 5 1/2?
Where were you stationed?
And thank you for your service.
Boot camp in San Diego, the 29 palms CA, to Okinawa then cherry point NC
Did you live on a base at some point in your career? What was life like there?
Cherry point NC at the end. Base is like living on a college campus run by your parents with less females.
In thinking about joining the marines but terribly out of shape. What should i do to better prepare myself for the physical part of bootcamp?
Run and run and run, then do pull-ups. you won't regret it
Sender Fi, brother. Rah
Good Day sir,
id first like to say thank you for serving, my question is,If your comfortable with it, can you share with us the most hectic firefight you have been in?
I had a c130 crash into a mountain. My navy friend and I were on te radio with it. I saw it explode and then nothing but dead air. I still think of that all the time. My ex-wife's bunk mate in the marines was on it. Her name was Sgt Winters and 3 days later we got a satellite tv and her dad was on TV thinking she was captured and was asking for her release. I just saw her die a couple days before. That's the most traumatic thing I saw.
Yut Rah Kill Motivate
Marine corps. kill. Semper.
Are you trained in gorilla warfare? Sorry I have a serious question too. Were you involved in the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and if so what was it like? Have you seen Generation Kill and how accurate is that to real life?
I haven't seen generation kill, but I was on the 26 Marine Expeditionary Unit. We went ashore in February of 2003 on the initial invation and "leap-frogged" with the infantry from Kuwait to Basrah (sp?) Iraq. We were the first to Saddam's airport there.
This might sound silly but how did you think it was going to go at the time, did anyone think it would take 9 years? Thank you for your service to America.
No, the way the marines work (at least in my deployments) is that we go in first, secure areas, set up basic camps then leave and then other services or the guard will come in...that's why marines usally have months-long deployments while others have 1-2 years...not taking away from others, but that's how it goes. I personally thought Iraq would be over in 3 years tops.
..been a while since I heard that :) thank you.
It's not said enough. The military doesn't make policy and is an instrument of the elected government. Soldiers serve their country, for little pay, away from their worrying mothers, girl friends, wives, husbands and children, so thanks.
aw they do enough...paid for college and they pay for room and board while you're in...although yea, being away from my wife and kid at the time really wasn't great, especially for her.
Where exactly did you guys come in first and the sister services came in after?
We ce through the coast then we didn't really know where we were as we went until bases were set up. Basically go from south up and that was our path
I'm not calling you a liar, but I'm confused, did they bump up the rotation for the 26th MEU? They had just returned to CONUS in fall 2002 (IIRC). I was on the 24th MEU tasked on the invasion. And, the economy wasn't bad at the time, I got a job 3 days after EOS.
The 26th MEU left for Afghanistan shortly after sept 11. We went to Afghanistan, came back the following year then in feb 2003 we went to Iraq, Iraq wasn't the meu.
I went back to Idaho, the industry for my skills was bad and areas were shutting down which is why I couldn't get a job.
Oh wait I see what you're getting at...I was trying to answer multiple questions at once. initial invasion in Afghanistan from the 26th.. deployed after to Iraq....been a while. We leap frogged from Kuwait to Basrah, just not from the boat.
Basra no h.
My bad. Corrected, thanks!
You my friend are an American HERO. Thanks for serving our country and coming back save and alive.
That's very nice of you...not a hero though, just did what they told me to.
Here's a secret, tell any active duty guy thanks and they'll secretly be embarrassed. Don't ask me why.
... Because cognitive dissonance?
Because I have no idea what to say
my wife's ex husband is husband is active right now. And I have never said thanks to him. But I sectrely call him a loser. And a ..... never mind.. are you still active?
haha. No, got out in July, 2003 after Iraq.
No question. I just wanted to say thank you for your service and keeping me and my family safe.
that's always so good to hear, I hope all is well with them.
Can you see any validity to this point?
"If someone volunteers to go kill people for the profit of corporations, I don't want then working with or for me"
Not everyone is blinded by patriotic fervor so maybe they feel you don't share their values or code of ethics.
I think that falls under the same stereo type of someone that says, "I don't join the military because I don't take orders"...I think it's blind and somewhat uneducated. I don't see military volunteering to just "go kill people". The military is the Nation's defense. To the people that say the above, I'd tell them that military members are basically on standby for up to 8 years even after they're out to be recalled which is why there isn't a draft.
To put it shortly, we don't volunteer to kill people, we volunteer to defend something and if your morals don't meet mine, well, that's a freedom and right you have.
What were you defending? Do you realize that we funded, trained, and idolized the taliban up until they were no longer useful? If you went to a war not on our soil you volunteered for murder. I'm glad you can't find a job I would hate for you to become a cop, teacher, fuck even make my burgers
Well throw away your cell phone then, I make the chip inside it. And that's your right to be opinionated.
The right you and all enlistees past, present and future fought to protect. And well I hope he knows those bastard flew a couple god damn planes into buildings full of innocent people.
Eh, whatever. Homeboys probably just jealous playing call of duty on hardcore mode while sucking on a inhaler wishing he could be praised as much as you all. Scum sucking bastard.
Is what it is, some people just want reactions. This made me laugh though.
weird.. I have a high school education and no military background. If I send out my resume 50 times (the most I have done is 60 at once) I usually get about 10 replies... a very, very steady 1 in 10 response, if not more sometimes. The other day I sent out ten and got about four replies.. Maybe you have a bad résumé? I promise you, the economy is not that bad. Sorry you had to go to war because you cannot write :|
Perhaps you should look into the RF and semiconductor industries at the time which were in a horrid state. I'm sorry that you don't realize resumes are specific to industries.
so why invest your time and effort learning the skills/knowledge of a dying industry? again, merely a poor personal choice. When I go back to school, it will be STEM or medicine (probably medicine) and I promise you there will not be a shortage of jobs on the other end.. because I will consult bls.gov tah dahh!!
Semiconductors are a dying industry? I'm absolutely certain of your stated education now. What do you think is in your phone? Radios? Televisions? SSD computers?
I'm an engineer with semiconductors now and my military paid for education got me there. What is it that you do, or do you "plan on stem cell" stuff?
"Automation at semiconductor factories, known as fabricating plants, is expected to grow, so fewer workers will be needed in this occupation." ROBOTS TOOK YER JEEEEEEYYBB... THEY TOOK HIS JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYB!
who do you think fixes robots? What do you think makes them run? what industry DOES NOT have decline? I wish you luck in college man, I really REALLY do.
Why do the American marines think they are heroes, even though you go to places like Iraq (now Afghanistan of course) to kill others, even the innocent. I understand you had your suspects, but what is the point in keeping up the war? You still really think it was Al-Qaeda whose fault 9/11 was? How can you be so blind? You are not protecting your country, you are attacking others, and still feel you should be regarded as a hero. Please explain me why don't Americans just pull back and go home.
Well let me say that I never said I was a hero, I'm not. This sounds like you're accusing me of commanding everyone to go attack everywhere, which I'm not. If you want to attack my views personally, feel free but understand what they are first.
Hi! Australian here, I had read that most Americans are fully supportive of the troops and even have bumper stickers that say so.
With this in mind, was it a surprise that you didn't get one offer after firing off 50 resumes or is it more reflective of the state of the economy?
Also, I'm happy that you made it back safe. With ANZAC day just passed, it's a reminder of all those that didn't.
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