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AMA I work for a NASCAR Team.
I work in the engine department, but have experience in most areas of the team. I will answer the questions I can.
Edit: thanks for a fun ama everyone! You can continue to ask questions on my forum at WWW.breakintoracing.com
Readitonreddit123411 karma
I love NASCAR. How do you respond to the Murica posts insulting NASCAR?
Yeahdoug11 karma
I used to be a hater. I was a huge F1 fan, but working in the industry has obviously opened my eyes to the amount of technology in NASCAR. Plus the parity makes the racing exciting. Many of our engineers come from F1 and prefer it in NASCAR.
marvinlunenberg-3 karma
Your engineers don't come from F1...come on now. Completely different ball game.
puffpio1 karma
its somewhat true. sure the aero engineers may not come, but the chassis people, simulation, mechanics..etc all can come over
I've heard that F1 actually doesn't pay engineers/mechanics that well and its expensive as hell to live in England...so NASCAR is appealing from a financial point of view
Yeahdoug1 karma
Couldn't have said it better myself. Competitive wages and way lower cost of living make the switch very appealing.
i_drink_corona11 karma
I don't know a huge amount about NASCAR, but I watched a video the other day showing a pit stop, and noticed that they didn't use centre lock wheels, any reason for this?
Yeahdoug19 karma
NASCAR as a sanctioning body likes to keep the pit stop a central part of the race. The 5 lug setup is a lot slower and harder to perform. There also tend to be a lot more mistakes which adds to the drama of the race. You have to remember it's a show.
i_drink_corona9 karma
Thanks, it's really interesting to see the difference between NASCAR and F1, in terms of how/why people enjoy it!
Yeahdoug8 karma
YW. I enjoy both. Both very different, but entertaining in their own ways.
Yeahdoug10 karma
I do not agree with Hamlin's fine. I don't think most agree with it.
I think most of the guys in the shop like the G6. Plus we like change. It gives us a chance to get a leg up on the competition. To find an advantage first.
Yeahdoug7 karma
Hard to say. Depends if she still had her sponsor. As long as you have $$, you have a ride right now.
Yeahdoug6 karma
I prefer not to say which team except it it a top team. I don't work for one driver since I'm in the engine shop. I have met a lot of drivers over the last 6 years. I have been involved in 3 Daytona 500 wins. Have the rings to prove it :)
Talladega nights was mostly just for fun.
BurtKusch512 karma
I'd say Roush. They have three 500 wins in six years, if you include Bayne since they get engines from RFR IIRC.
iamaredditer2 karma
yeah looks like roush shows a pic of biff's car on his website he setup.
Yeahdoug5 karma
Thankfully I am not on the road anymore. Well not on a consistent basis. It is very hard for those guys. Most only get one day a week off and have to work most weekends in the year. We try to keep younger guys on the road to keep them from burning them out. The ones with families have their own ways of making it work.
ChevyAndMurica5 karma
How many engineers work for your team, and did they graduate from any specific programs (like UNC Charlotte's motorsports engineering program)?
(I'm a mechanical engineering student who'd like to break into the motorsports field).
Yeahdoug8 karma
We have some UNCC motorsports grads. I'd say 25-30 engineers in the engine department alone.
Yeahdoug9 karma
A new car can be 60-80k. Used cars can be had for 25-40k. The engine can cost just as much. These are just estimates since I don't work on that side of the business.
ramlol6 karma
Holy crap that's cheap, that's honestly really surprising, i thought you missed a 0 on the end.
puffpio1 karma
they make up for it in other means :) in other racing the cars cost sooo much money to build, and they only build a few. in nascar the cars are cheaper to build but they build a ton of them. they build special versions for high speed ovals, short tracks, road courses etc.
so in the end they still spend a crap ton of money on cars..
Yeahdoug1 karma
Yes, it's about the quantity. The cars may only be 100k but they might build 20-25 a year for each team. Plus the engine is rebuilt every race. It adds up. V8SC may cost a lot more but they probably only have 2-3 cars.
Yeahdoug7 karma
5 years NASCAR, another 2 years for a supplier. I have a high performance automotive technology degree. It was never a goal to work in NASCAR. Just kind of fell into my lap.
cowboyjosh20101 karma
You've clearly had a good experience with that education path, but do you recommend it in general to people who would like to work with cars somehow?
Yeahdoug3 karma
Yes it's probably even better for someone who wants to be a normal technician or open their own shop.
HoneyBadger934 karma
How does one get a job driving the transporters? Do the teams generally have one of the pit crew with a CDL drive it, or do they hire truck drivers with really good driving/safety records?
Yeahdoug10 karma
They hire dedicated truck drivers. Usually two per truck so they don't have to stop. Preferably ones that can grill a good steak too.
HoneyBadger935 karma
What do they do during races? Help out in the garage or clean/resupply the truck?
Yeahdoug4 karma
Exactly. They take care of meals. Make sure the hauler stays well supplied and clean.
iamaredditer3 karma
What weight of oil does a nascar engine use? What type of oil do you run in your personal vehicle?
Yeahdoug5 karma
The race oil are custom blends that are much lower viscosity than your normal street engine oil. I just run Mobil 1 in my own car.
BluesFan434 karma
Can you provide values for Viscosity at 40C and 100C? Or just 40C and a Viscosity index?
I prefer to see it in CentiStokes
mtnathlete3 karma
How many hours a week do you typically work? Do you get to take vacations?
Yeahdoug5 karma
oohhh that's a tough one. I'm on the wrong side of the talent line so if you want to make a lot of money probably not. A lot of people get burned out in this industry and end up doing something else. If you're really competitive and hard working I'd say go for it. I love the feeling I get when we win.
mtnathlete1 karma
That's what I thought. I work as a project engineer at a large company. About 10 weeks a year when we are in the midst of a major manufacturing change, work can long and veery stressful. But the other 40 weeks are a random mix, depending on what breaksdown, etc
Looking at the length of the NASCAR season and the fact that it's a competitive sports, there would appear to be limited down time.
I would think it would lead to burnout and change. Has to look good on the resume.
mtnathlete2 karma
If you ever make it up to the Asheville area, let me know.
What are you interests outside NASCAR / cars?
Yeahdoug4 karma
Shooting, Fitness, Mtn. Biking, EDM Music. Usually pass through Asheville a few times a year.
mtnathlete2 karma
I am into mountain biking, that's why I live here. If you want to go on some awesome rides, let me know. What do you ride?
Yeahdoug5 karma
I just have an entry level Cannondale hardtail. Nothing special, but fine for the trails here.
iamaredditer3 karma
Do the owners give a bonus when a driver wins a championship? What is the best gift you have received from working at the shop? How much time do drivers spend at the shop?
Yeahdoug3 karma
Yes, there's usually a bonus. Best gift I've received other than cash is I got to pick out two pairs of WileyX sunglasses. So nothing really that great lol. Some drivers visit more than others. When they win, they will usually buy the shop lunch.
iamaredditer3 karma
Who is the most down to earth driver that you know? Who is the biggest diva?
Yeahdoug4 karma
For the big names... Biffle's pretty down to earth. So is McMurray. Carl can be a diva. So can Kurt Busch.
iamaredditer2 karma
That is somewhat surprising to me. I remember when the biff was doing an interview of some kid that had won his first truck race and his phone rang and biff went into asshole mode. McMurray doesn't surprise me too much. Carl seems like such a likeable guy in the booth hard to see him as a diva. Kurt doesn't surprise me too much but I think he has really been humbled being dropped and now racing for a tier 2 team. I would have though Krylie Busch or logano on that list for sure though.
Yeahdoug2 karma
Well I guess you can look at it two different ways. On and off the track. Biffle can definitely lose his mind on the radio if the car isn't right. I was thinking more about seeing him around town and stopping to talk to people. Some drivers won't do that. Carl became quite the diva the way he handled his last contract negotiations. IMO
iamaredditer3 karma
What was your opinion of the racing at daytona this year? I found it extremely boring as there was not really any bump drafting. I miss the days when you could be in 20th place with 3 laps left to finishing in 1st in those few laps.
Are there any changes planned for talladega and daytona for this year?
Yeahdoug3 karma
Daytona was mediocre. Really hard to pass even with help. I'm really surprised more people didn't try to hook up and two car tango for the last 5 laps. Although it was harder for the cars to hook up.
No changes that I know of yet. Nascar has been known to make changes at the last minute though.
Yeahdoug4 karma
One race weekend for Cup. The nationwide engines are required to go multiple races, but it's not that big of a deal since the races a shorter.
xandyaxis3 karma
How could one person get into the industry without knowing anyone on the inside
Yeahdoug9 karma
I have a website dedicated to this, but don't want to seem like I'm pushing it. The short answer is education and building a network of people in the industy. Oh and living in charlotte help.
Yeahdoug11 karma
ok I made this website since I was constantly asked this question. It's pretty ghetto, but the info is there. www.breakintoracing.com
iamaredditer3 karma
Have you seen any good fights among the drivers? Other than Tony the tiger who do you think the toughest guy in nascar is?
kane552 karma
My brother is a big NASCAR fan. I follow it via him and casually. The sport often has a kind of "good ole boy" feel to it. Do you believe there is a deep seeded racism/sexism in the sport among the fans or is that something that is mostly dredged up and created/hyped by the media.
The reason I ask is a while back I saw a story on CNN (I think it could have been another station) about a black driver trying to make it in NASCAR. They interviewed a decent number of fans and it seemed like there were a good number of them that were either not very happy or were acting as if they didn't care, but you could tell they just didn't want to be seen as a racist on TV.
Just curious what your thoughts on this are and if NASCAR as a league/whole is sensitive towards this or if it just something that is not spoken about.
Thanks for the AMA.
Yeahdoug2 karma
Or course there's still racism/sexism and stereotypes. NASCAR is working hard to get away from it though. As the fan base grows it will help drive diversity.
The black driver was probably Darryl (sp?) Wallace Jr. He does have some talent and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the cup series in the next few years.
kane552 karma
I think that was the driver in the story I saw. He seemed like a good guy and the people that worked with him spoke highly of him.
I found myself wondering again about this with Danica Patrick now on the scene. Of the people I know that are NASCAR fans they seem pretty split. Some are fine with her being there, but others hate it because they think she will either be treated differently (which could happen) or, as one guy put it, he just doesn't want to see women racing.
pizzabyjake2 karma
They were outraged when a Japanese car company dared to try and compete.
Yeahdoug1 karma
They also hired a lot of people away from the big teams in NC. Pissed off a lot of the owners. Can't really blame them though.
Yeahdoug4 karma
The G6 car bodies are now more different. With different front bumpers and side profiles. The chassis underneath are similar. NASCAR keeps us in a tight box. The engines are probably the most different. Which is why I love them so much. I mean they are still a lot of rules but there are still a bunch of areas for us to work on.
Hempnasty2 karma
What is your opinion on the tech schools that advertise they can help get you on NASCAR pit crews?
How did you get the job?
Yeahdoug3 karma
You can get a entry level position through one of the tech schools, but you better be the best student there. THe pit crews are mostly recruited from other universities where the athletes weren't quite good enough to go pro. Most are flown in just for race day to perform the pit stops only and may have other jobs the rest of the week.
I got in through working for a supplier.
jtr992 karma
Ever heard of the racing sim "iRacing"? If so, what do you and your colleagues think of it?
Yeahdoug4 karma
Yup. I think some of the drivers and nascar endorse it. I've never tried it. I like rFactor.
taint-misbehavin2 karma
How much engine development goes on during the season, and what can the teams really do with the rules for homologation?
Yeahdoug2 karma
It never stops. If something is in the grey area of the rules it can be presented to Nascar for approval.
taint-misbehavin1 karma
Could you give an example of the type of things you guys work on in-season? Like do you get new pistons on Friday test one week to try out?
Yeahdoug2 karma
Literally everything. We are constantly looking at ways to improve all parts of the engine. Increasing airflow and reducing friction are the goals.
ReklinHace2 karma
NASCAR is like golf for me. I'm not a fan, but damn it's hard to change the channel once I start watching.
Yeahdoug2 karma
The cars are usually completely gone through after the race. So there isn't much to maintain. The new G6 is hard on rear axles with the new camber rules.
WH1PPA2 karma
How much pressure is on you when a race is on? Any times were you have screwed up?
Yeahdoug2 karma
Once the race is on my work has been done long ago. Haven't really screwed anything up. I'm very detail oriented.
thebeespatellas2 karma
Do the tires/suspension on one side of the car wear out faster because NASCAR only has left turns?
Yeahdoug2 karma
Yes depending on the track. Right side tires usually wear out more quickly.
AscendantJustice2 karma
How much are teams in demand for aerospace engineers? I'll be graduating in May, and the job market's not looking too good for me right now.
Yeahdoug3 karma
I can see a demand on the car side. Send some resumes out to the big teams that work on aero in the wind tunnel. The smaller teams don't have the budget for that.
AscendantJustice1 karma
I know next to nothing about NASCAR. What teams should I be looking at?
Yeahdoug2 karma
Hendrick, Gibbs, Roush, RCR, waltrip, Penske. Teams that build their own cars.
Yeahdoug1 karma
Only my opinion, but I think Kyle Busch. He can frickin drive a race car, but he has done and said some things to his own team that are downright disrespectful.
GameFace921 karma
Have you been accessed of using steroids?
But really, are there any PEDs widely used?
Yeahdoug2 karma
Maybe in the past. I doubt it now. Nascar's new drug testing policy would be hard to get around... well unless you're Lance.
minivan-megafun1 karma
Over the past 7-8 years, there has been a massive consolidation of engine shop resources amongst teams. In 2005, I count about 12 teams that built their own engines. Today, there are 4. Do you feel this consolidtion has hurt the sport? Did NASCAR miss the mark when they put a car ownership cap of 4 teams but did not limit how many engines a team can supply? It seems this is a big part of how Dodge ended up on the outside looking in.
Yeahdoug2 karma
It was really driven by the manufacturers. Combining resources and having to only write one check just made better financial sense. I think it was much more interesting when the teams had their own engine programs, but there isn't the money to do that anymore.
Sleek_Runner1 karma
Unsure if this has been asked already, but how does one get involved with this kind of work? I am in high school and highly interested in pursuing a career such as yours.
I imagine you went to a specific school to focus on NASCAR, but I am wondering how the whole process works.
veloceracing1 karma
Is Chocolate Meyers still the coolest crew man to ever walk the planet?
Yeahdoug2 karma
From what I've listened to he is pretty cool. I wish I had stories like him. Different era though.
sophisticated_eyebro1 karma
I see you work in the engine department, but what is your specific job?
Also, do you feel that they should loosen the engine rules so that the work you guys do is more relevant to the real world?
What materials are the engines made of? Cast iron block and aluminum internals? Or can you guys use titanium parts?
Last question, what bore and stroke to you guys run?
Yeahdoug1 karma
Bore and stroke is too specific, sorry. I work in engine testing but valve train design before that. I wish they would they would do away with some of the min. Weight rules. We're going to spend all of our budget anyways.
Ti. Is allowed in some areas. Not for springs, cranks, and rods though. Mostly just for valves.
sophisticated_eyebro1 karma
When you did valve train design, what was there to do? Was it just the valve spring harmonics and strengthening parts while keeping weight down?
Yeahdoug2 karma
My focus was spring design and developing a package around new, more aggressive camshafts.
Yeahdoug2 karma
I autocross. I don't think anybody else here does. Well wait one of my coworkers will bring out his old fsae car every once in awhile.
chihawks1 karma
do you like the track in joliet "chicagoland"? iv been told its one of the favorites of racers.
Yeahdoug1 karma
I like the are and I like 1.5 milers. So yes. I've also spent some tume at the drag strip.
TwiceBakedProduction1 karma
Teams often sell used parts on ebay after races. How simple would the parts be to install on a production engine I am looking to upgrade? Is buying a used block to install and build in my street car worth it?
Yeahdoug2 karma
As far as engine parts, the block and bare heads could be used. All the other parts usually have a finite life and I wouldn't put them in a street car.
TwiceBakedProduction1 karma
How difficult would it be to find parts that fit the block to build a running engine? How much power are these blocks rated to?
Also I've noticed transmissions for sale, safe to assume that they have no reverse gear, but would they be useful for a trackday car? Thanks for your help.
Yeahdoug2 karma
Very hard. Not worth the $$ or effort. There's no official rating on the blocks.
Transmissions do have reverse.
TwiceBakedProduction1 karma
Shame, would be fun to roll around with a NASCAR engine in a sleeper.
So they could be installed on a car, but I assume the ratios would be difficult for an engine not producing as much power.
mcfattykins1 karma
What's one thing NASCAR could do that would make cars safer immediately?
Yeahdoug1 karma
Honestly I haven't really thought about that. From the drivers point of view they are pretty safe.
Oprah_Nguyenfry1 karma
What are your thoughts on the fuel injection switch?
Is there any truth to Keselowski's remark?
Cars on the street are injected with real electronics, not a throttle body (like in NASCAR). So we've managed to go from 50-year-old technology to 35-year-old technology. I don't see what the big deal is."
Is he just saying it's port injected instead of direct injection?
ayb1 karma
I was talking to a fan last night just before the last convenience store was closing and I was not sure if four cigarettes would get me though the night or if I should skip the 1/4 mile walk.
Anyway, he said he had the same problem earlier in the day ... Nascar was on and he ran out of cigarettes and said he had to think long and hard whether he wanted a fresh pack of cigarettes and miss 25 laps or give in.
What would you do if you were a smoker?
ValeYellow461 karma
What are your thoughts on MotoGP? Do any of the drivers or mechanics watch the races? Do you think it's a little strange that MotoGP riders race in torrential rain with just a leather race suit and armor between them and the road, yet NASCAR doesn't race in the rain at all, even with a huge cage around them?
Yeahdoug1 karma
Love motogp. Tons of passing and exciting finished. I think racing in the rain would be interesting.
amnesiasoph1 karma
What are your favourites of all the rhyming and alliterative NASCAR lingo?
SLProtoman1 karma
How has the attitude within the industry been towards Travis Pastrana trying to break into NASCAR? Has there been indifference towards his presence, has he been looked down upon since his roots didn't start in stock car racing but extreme sports, or has most of the industry welcomed him into the sport?
Yeahdoug2 karma
Mostly welcomed. It's great all the new fans he's bringing in. Plus he's been doing pretty damn good so far.
Yeahdoug1 karma
Wasn't sure if serious. I think it would be quite have to fall asleep in a 900 hp car traveling 200 mph. I think most drivers are able to forget about the rest of the world when they climb in their cars.
songwind1 karma
I stopped watching NASCAR a few years ago because it seemed the rules enforcement was haphazard at best, cynically money-and-popularity based at worst.
From someone closer to the action, do you feel it was as uneven as it appeared as a spectator?
Do you feel it's any more evenhanded, now?
Yeahdoug2 karma
Yes I see that sometimes the rules are enforced differently for different people/teams. Nascar has been trying to be more consistent across the board, but sometimes they still make bad calls or some that seem bias.
GarfieldsLazierCoz1 karma
How much room for engineering is there on the car? What can you change and what can't you?
Do you get people in the teams crossing over from touring car racing like BTCC or DTM?
Is there a reason NASCAR is so fixated on oval tracks?
Do you work on a specific aspect of the engines?
Yeahdoug3 karma
It's hard to quantify how much room there is since what may seem like a lot to me might now be a lot for you. Yes we have people coming from european race series to work in Nascar. Nascar likes oval track because most of the fans can see the entire race track. They believe it provides a better fan experience.
I used to work on valve train design, now I'm involved in engine testing.
drew3451 karma
Do you think the new car leveled the playing field between the major teams? Also whats the deal with EGR they went from winning races to the 20s in one or two seasons did something change in there funding level?
Yeahdoug1 karma
I think it has to some degree. EGR has been struggling the past few years. I find it very interesting they switched to Hendrick engines even though they have some share in ECR engines. I can tell you apart from the failures they had, it wasn't a HP problem. Their cars were just really bad. I think being only a two car team and not being a satellite (like Stewart haus) has just put them behind.
ARKB1rd441 karma
Have you ever got to keep a tire from a NASCAR? My dad is a huge fan and do you know of any tips to get one?
Yeahdoug2 karma
No. A lot of the tires are destroyed after the race to make other things. I know some of the team shops sell used tires to fan at what I'm sure if a ripoff price. Much easier to get a tire from a NHRA drag race. They will usually give out their old tires.
Barking_Giraffe0 karma
Does it sometimes feel unnatural to turn right when you're out on the road?
Yeahdoug13 karma
Sorry will use the reply button now.
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