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Move over, Hollywood. We are Roberto Furfaro and Gene Giacomelli, the NASA-funded scientists who built the REAL "The Martian" food-growing system.
We are technical co-principal investigators on the NASA-funded project, started in 2009, whereby we and our team have built a fully functional lunar and Martian greenhouse. A live web-cam feed of our system is viewable here: 128.196.12.155/home/homeS.html.
Gene Giacomelli is a University of Arizona professor, and the director of the Controlled Environment Agriculture Center in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences. He received a Ph.D. in Horticultural Engineering from Rutgers University in 1983.
Roberto Furfaro is a University of Arizona assistant professor, and the director of the Space Systems Engineering Lab on campus. He received a Ph.D. in Aerospace Engineering from the UA in 2004.
Update: (12:15 MST / 3:15 p.m. EST) Signing off! Sorry we couldn’t get to everyone, but there were many similar questions asked throughout the AMA. Please read through the whole thread to see if your question was already answered. Thank you for all of your great questions!
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genegiacomelli504 karma
i thought you'd never ask.....come to the University of Arizona. enroll in Biosystems Engineering or in Plant Sciences, depending on your specific interstes. we need you.
genegiacomelli76 karma
look for programs [at other schools, too...not many yet] that offer engineering of controlled environments, and horticulture of contolled environment plant produciton. these topics are becoming more common because of the great interest by the foodies and others concerned with locally grown foods and safe foods of high quality
Tucana66214 karma
Is anything from your work being made available for commercial sale, here on terrestrial Earth?
Thanks for doing this AMA! Truly looking forward to reading everyone's questions! (And your answers!)
genegiacomelli176 karma
Earth Applications are important! great question! yes, our work came from previous experiences for on Earth commerical food produciton systems in greenhouses; we plan to use the improvements and new knowledge to feedback to Earth-based food producers in GH's and in other indoor systems.
genegiacomelli205 karma
we normally say that in hydroponics and controlled environment all plants will grow and grow anywhere the system is placed...but there is the cost that limits each application
genegiacomelli109 karma
unsure...never been there. but we grow veggies in ours on Earth. in general all crops 'may' grow, or at least have the potential to grow, but we need to go and try.
unsure...never been there. but we grow veggies in ours on Earth. in general all crops 'may' grow, or at least have the potential to grow, but we need to go and try.
xjollyrogerxx96 karma
Have you seen The Martian? And if so, how accurate are the specific issues he faced and how they were addressed. Can you discuss specific obstacles that were not addressed or dealt with in the movie? If you haven't seen the movie, or just in general, what are some of the logistical obstacles involved with trying to grow food on Mars that someone not involved in this kind of research might not expect or think of? Thanks!
genegiacomelli183 karma
very importatn do not pee on your garden plants!! yes there are nutrients in the urine, but way too many salts...surely death for your plants.
genegiacomelli123 karma
saw the movie..it ws enjoyable science fiction with much basis on facts, but with the ability to stretch the science/engineering.... the potatoes would never have grown in the limited lighting conditons of the habitat; also the human waste would have been to 'unprocessed' to provide nutrients.
genegiacomelli61 karma
no, we dont use such, but do recycle plant biomass wastes; we have a composter to decompose the plant wastes; NASA-AMES [i believe] has created a simulate human waste for thier testing
1tudore35 karma
What has been the most significant technical challenge in this experiment?
What are the limits on what can be learned from these greenhouses? What information will you be unable to learn until you are able to recreate these greenhouses on Mars?
genegiacomelli27 karma
about the 'limits' of learning....of course there is no 1/3 gravity in our Lab as is on Mars. plus the environment will have to be at reduced pressure to save on sturcture required where we are opretaing at 1 atm
1tudore10 karma
Thank you for this answer and this AmA.
Would it be possible to recreate that gravity on Earth? If so, what prevents you from doing that?
genegiacomelli24 karma
Money! need to make a rotating device that can grow crops and be roated at a velocity of v = r [omega]squared, where r is the radius of the spinning device and omeag squared is the angular velocity
genegiacomelli43 karma
with reduced gravity, the irrigation process is more challenging; and the water absorbance by the plant and water movement in the plant are both reduced. at lower air pressures the gas exchange from the leaves is slowed. need a plant physiologist to better answer this....
genegiacomelli44 karma
people need oxygen, water, food for survival and that requires energy and water.
trackleft26 karma
Have plants been tested in space? What effects does the differing gravity from earth have on how they grow?
genegiacomelli36 karma
not on a planet as yet, but in the Space Station {ISS} in microgravity, which is much more challenging for growing plants than on a planet surface. think about how to get the water and nutrients to the root system.
genegiacomelli27 karma
besides some of the science/engineering, the interest that has been created by the Mars-Lunar GH filled with plants, glowing away, and growing up a storm, and the young poeple who gain interest in these systems both for Mars and for food produciton here on Earth
genegiacomelli18 karma
also, that the greenhouse system demonstrates the water cycle, the carbon cycle and the plant nutrients cycles while in the lab in a simple way to help student learning
Dotrue20 karma
Since Mars is so much further from the sun, would you need to keep plants under artificial light in order for them to grow? Or could they grow under natural light on Mars (like in an actual greenhouse, not just planted in Martian soil)?
genegiacomelli36 karma
yes and no.....Mars hs about 45% of EArths sunlihg intnesity. but it has dust storms that can reduce to 5%. thus i am quite sure artifical lights will be used. someday LEDs
MandyCandy1318 karma
I noticed in the movies potatoes were use, and y'all grow sweet potatoes, is there a connection here? What makes them a good choice?
genegiacomelli37 karma
we have grown potatoes before, but we were proposed sweet potatoes becasue of their carbohydrates, sugars and many foods thta can be made for them. See Tuskeegee Univ researches! also the sweet potatoes make a huge vine of leaves good giving their water into the air to make drinking water, and for making oxygen from CO2 from photosyntheisis.
trackleft14 karma
Are the ingredients for growing food on other planets more or less expensive than bringing food grown on earth? Assuming it's cheaper to blast off with a lot of food on board, when does it become better to grow your own food.
genegiacomelli24 karma
our tests at the South Pole Food Growth Chamber in Antarctica provided veggies for about $50 per pound of edible veggie just for the costs of operation...mostly electrical power for lights, pumps, etc.
archenteron8 karma
I am a graduate student studying plant pathology. What considerations, if any, have you made in regards to plant diseases which may arise?
genegiacomelli8 karma
good keep studying! plant diseases will always be around. in controlled environments like the GH we can minimize them by a cleaner and a less optimum envroinment for the fungi and bacteria. we practice IPM always [integrated pest managment]
parallel218 karma
In the movie, Watney's potatoes are exposed to the martian air. Would radiation be a concern when having to eat those potatoes later? Do you have similar concerns you deal with growing food on mars?
genegiacomelli15 karma
radiation could be a problem.....but it would take much time to see an effect. they would be unchanged when he ate them.
MandyCandy137 karma
So, human waste, if eaten, makes you sick. How do you not get sick by growing food in your own waste? Also, does this in any way have an impact on flavor?
genegiacomelli12 karma
exactly, the human waste needs to be processed before it can be used on plants...both the solids and the urine. they need to be changed into forms that plants can use as fertilizer, but also to be sure that the bad microbes are destroyed
genegiacomelli11 karma
'night soil' is human waste that is used in outdoor agriculture in some countries, but that is mixed within the soil [the earth] before using, and there it is broken down. best that it should be composted in a pile to heat up and destroy the unwelcomed microorganisams.
Dabbiddeedoodaa7 karma
What types of plants are prioritized for production in space and in controlled environments and for what reasons? Are some food sources prioritized because they produce more oxygen or have higher concentrations of nutrients?
genegiacomelli19 karma
Nasa has about 21 favorite crops based on a balanced diet. protein crops [soybeans, wheat] minerals/fiber crops [tomato, lettuce]. actually algae is a better oxygen producer than most food crops.
genegiacomelli6 karma
the lights in the Mars Greenhouse will be on shortly. go to the website link and you can see the crops.
genegiacomelli6 karma
Earth Applications are important! great question! yes, our work came from previous experiences for on Earth commerical food produciton systems in greenhouses; we plan to use the improvements and new knowledge to feedback to Earth-based food producers in GH's and in other indoor systems.
deadscreen5 karma
Are projects like this actually being actively funded? What sorts of groups have you gotten the most attention or funding from? Is there anything the public can do to help?
genegiacomelli11 karma
very few projects around the world are funded like this. China and the Europeans each have a larger more complete and complex BLSS [bioregenerative life support system].
genegiacomelli9 karma
people in space are expensive. robots have been doing verey well on other planetes. but we all know thta someday humans will go. we need to prepare.
genegiacomelli11 karma
probably.....if you provide the environment [air temp, hunmidity, light, water, nutrients]...just like on Earth we believe all plants will grow.
FatesForger5 karma
What us the best way to determine the optimal nutrient content for a given plant or crop? Ditto with lighting? Are there calculations one can do (formula) or is it just lengthy research.?
robertofurfaro6 karma
The answer is "test, test, test" - we do not good first-principle models of such systems, i.e. we haven;t be able to apply basic physics law to derive comprehensive models. All the models that we have (including some basic formula) are derived from data. Experience is key
genegiacomelli5 karma
more graduate studnets to do experientation and study for future inforamtion is required
detroitzoran5 karma
Any thoughts on GMO's? I assume modifying the plant for a greater yield or easier to grow in manufactured environment would be a pro.
genegiacomelli6 karma
no GMO's too expensive! most indoor crops are bred by tradtional means to grow well in indoors situaitons
genegiacomelli6 karma
but your thought to change the genetics is one approach, and would potetinally be beneficial. genetics and environments give the result
ssup3rm4n4 karma
If you can grow an already made food, what would it be? Example: pizza, hot dog, burger, steak, granola bars.....
genegiacomelli8 karma
prabaly a pizza.....good nutrition. but fresh veggies are always desired when in such extreme conditons
trackleft4 karma
I am looking at your webcam and it is dark, will the lights turn on soon?
reremyjoss3 karma
With a need for hydroponics in industrial food production, would your applications be translatable to potential vertical farming? Mass production of food is going to have to happen sooner rather than later, and your growing system seems to be a solid foundation for that.
genegiacomelli5 karma
mass production of food already happens mostly in outdoor farming [see California, Florida, etc] but it is also expanding rapidly within greenhouses and a bit as Vertical Farming
reremyjoss4 karma
I'm a thesis student in architecture and my topic is vertical agriculture, and I've seen the case studies in Irvine and Chicago that are successful but they only span 5 stories, could yours be engineered to be in 60 story skyscrapers in an urban condition? Thanks for the response!
genegiacomelli4 karma
eventually we could engineer it for that, but we would not do that. ours is not designed that way. it is designed to be light-weight, and fit in small spaces, and specific to your needs.
genegiacomelli4 karma
yes. whatever we do has the same needs as in all indoor production [greenhosues w/sunlight or multi-level w/o sunlight as in Vertical Farming]
omnibus343 karma
Do you simulate human manure or is that one of the poetic licenses in the book? Haven't seen the movie yet.
genegiacomelli4 karma
no, we dont use such, but do recycle plant biomass wastes; we have a composter to decompose the plant wastes; NASA-AMES [i believe] has created a simulate human waste for thier testing
no, we dont use such, but do recycle plant biomass wastes; we have a composter to decompose the plant wastes; NASA-AMES [i believe] has created a simulate human waste for thier testing
genegiacomelli7 karma
yes. we have a demonstration greenhouse there now. it is for tours and visitors
genegiacomelli1 karma
unsure...never been there. but we grow veggies in ours on Earth. in general all crops 'may' grow, or at least have the potential to grow, but we need to go and try.
MegaKx248 karma
If someone were interested in following this sort of educational/career path, what sort of education would you suggest? This all is very interesting, are there any majors in controlled environmental agriculture or engineering that pertains to this sort of study?
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