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But do you yourself understand those scriptures in context; and if so can you explain the Romans 1:24-27 verses to me in the same way you understand it?

Romans 1 is a letter from Paul to a church in Romans, it starts out with Paul's intro (1-7), then he goes into telling them about the awesome Gospel and Good News of Jesus (8-17), then He abruptly changes tones and starts to tell them about God's anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. In the following verses Paul clearly describes gay sex, both between two men and two women. It doesn't have to mention the word homosexuality in these verses, because the acts are described clearly here and fall under the category of sinfulness and wickedness.

I completely agree with you that it's horrible how Christian's treat members of the LBGT community and we're also very hypocritical when it comes to judging other peoples sins, while ignoring our own sinful ways. But that doesn't mean that God is okay with us accepting to live in our sinful natures. We need to spread the truth.

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But I cannot accept the opinion and view of another author if it clearly contradicts what was written in Holy Scripture. You would have to completely twist the Bible passages I quoted above to convince me that God doesn't view homosexuality as a sin. Did you not personally look at the Bible verses against it and just say that your experiences triumphs those scripture?

The problem I have with accepting homosexuality (not gay people), but the sinful sexual acts they do, is that if I truly love them AND believe in the word of God, then I will want them to know the truth instead of allowing them to live and die in their sins, believing that God is perfectly fine with their lifestyle, when His Word says otherwise.

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Hello, it was very interesting to learn about your experience. I am in a similar place to where you were before you completely changed your mind. Unlike the Christian's you seem to have encountered in your experience, I try my best to be loving to all people and try not to judge the lives of unbelievers, but I cannot support something that I feel is clearly shown to be sinful in the Bible. I'm not looking for an argument or a debate, I just want to see if you can convince me somehow to change my views.

I believe God loves gay people as much as He loves Christian people, but I don't believe that He finds it in any way acceptable to practice homosexual-acts.

You said that the scriptures don't oppose it if you take it into context, but look at what it says in Romans chapter 1:

24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

I don't see what other possible context I could take these verses to mean or how you could turn that around in support of homosexuality?

Are you saying that you now love and accept gays unconditionally whereas before you didn't - or are you saying that your views on how God sees homosexuality as a sin has changed, and you no longer believe it to be sinful?

Thanks for your time.

pinkunicorn530 karma

I am not here to condemn or judge gays.

A few verses down in Romans 2:6-8 says:

6 He will judge everyone according to what they have done. 7 He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers. 8 But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and instead live lives of wickedness.

My goal is to reveal that truth in verse 8 instead of concealing it and saying that God doesn't care about the sins clearly spoken about in the Bible. God wants us to overcome these things, not to accept them and go on with our lives.

I'm far from perfect, I'll admit, but the difference is that I understand that I'm a sinner and need help; I can't say that because God loves liars and thieves, then it must now be okay to lie and steal.