noyoto24 karma2019-10-30 21:15:17 UTC
As another Dutch person, let me just say that I'm quite embarrassed by how the population of the Netherlands is massively showing that while they care about the climate, the only change they're willing to embrace is the kind that is convenient and won't impact their day to day lives. They appear to see their luxuries as human rights and human rights as luxuries. With that said, there absolutely needs to be constant research to make sure the transition is as efficient as possible and the burden can't be shifted solely on the population. But the clock is running out so inaction is just not an option at this point.
How much of an impact can the Netherlands make on emissions by going green? A rather insignificant one. Yet if a small rich country such as the Netherlands won't do it, then all hope truly is lost.
I do think there's a real case to be made for the Netherlands (along with other European and Western countries) to spend its resources on making countries like India more green, which could result in a much larger cut in emissions per euro spent. But would Dutch people really accept large amounts of taxes going to other countries that aren't even in the EU? I'd personally expect an even bigger uproar than currently seen by the farmers.
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noyoto19 karma2018-09-03 23:42:29 UTC
I need more proof. How do we really know if this guy is a school drop-out who is marketing his product on Reddit while making it seem like he's doing people a service? Judging from the picture, he could just as easily be a succesfull coder who finished his education and often helps people in a humble and selfless fashion.
Please post another picture where you hold you fingers together as if you are scheming, with a bag of nachos and bottle of soda in the background. Only then can we know you are the real deal.
noyoto8 karma2020-02-13 10:24:01 UTC
There are two or more people downvoting almost everything. Help me vote the normal comments back up :).
noyoto3 karma2019-10-31 10:33:40 UTC
I don't think that the Netherlands isn't doing anything. Whether we are doing enough is a matter for climate scientists to decide and the answer is no, we're not doing enough to tackle the problem.
I fully agree with your sentiments of not wasting resources that can be used to do something more efficient, such as using our resources internationally to reduce more emissions elsewhere than we ever could in the Netherlands. But is that what Dutch people are demanding when they complain about climate policies? Will they go out on the streets in equal measures when climate plans are aborted and there's nothing to replace it? Or will they be silent as long as meat, plane tickets and gas don't become more expensive?
noyoto2 karma2019-10-31 10:23:00 UTC
Corruption is a problem and that's why the main string attached to financial support to developing countries in order to help them transition should be oversight and investigation to ensure that the money is well spent and that there is measurable progress.
As I mentioned, the Netherlands going green won't do much to stop pollution. What it can do is offer a model for other countries on how to go green as efficiently as possible and export technologies and expertise around the world. We can afford to be among the first to transition, developing nations can't. Ultimately our energy bills should go down, as well as health costs because of less pollution-related problems. If somehow we keep paying the same or more for our energy, then that's probably corruption of our own government and energy companies at work.
Efforts to solve the climate crisis should be constantly investigated and questioned, but only to adapt and never to stop. That's the danger with protesting efforts to go green. What it often amounts to is an unwillingness to change and it will lead us down a rabbit hole of constantly debating what should be done and never doing anything, which is exactly what the fossil energy industry is hoping for and is actively financing. If you feel that the government is unfairly taxing the people to solve climate change, then demand an alternative way to pay for it or to transition more effectively, but don't demand them to stop and resort to business as usual. We must also ensure that frustration with increasing wealth inequality isn't confused with the effects of climate change policy.
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