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llieaay42 karma

It's great that you have taken steps to oppose what you saw -- but what you saw was the extra dairy cows. Veal isn't profitable as it's own industry, it's there to try to make a profit out of the "waste" from dairy. To give milk, the cows must be impregnated yearly. All the males and the "extra" females not needed to replace mom (because she'll go through 3-4 pregnancies and only one needs to replace her when she is killed) are "waste". No matter how few people eat veal, these baby calves are still going to be killed.

So if you want to oppose veal, it seems like the industry you need to boycott is dairy.

llieaay31 karma

If you are selling them as food, it's actually impossible to treat animals well by any standard other than comparison to worse farms. And "mistreating animals less than other farms" isn't an ethical standard.

What matters to animals most is their lives and their babies. Their comfort can be improved but the first two must be destroyed by any operation.

For instance, in dairy the cows must be impregnated and have a calf so they give milk. The male calves are useless to dairy and aren't as profitable for beef as other breeds, so they are accidental waste. They may be culled immediately, they may be raised as veal or occasionally maybe they'll live to be adolescents before they are killed as beef. Cows are excellent mothers who would stay with their babies for life. They fight for their babies and grieve. The cows will go through about three cycles of loss before they are killed at a quarter of their natural life.

No animal wants to die - the harm that humane eggs, dairy and meat do is real and severe even in their kindest incarnation.

llieaay28 karma

If she was actually bankrupt from the hospitals you definitely would not have seen that money.

llieaay12 karma

Why didn't she sue the lifeguard? Or the city. I think she might actually have a complaint. He shouldn't have left the tower, that could have killed her.

Thanks for being a good person!

llieaay10 karma

Sometimes after these investigations you hear people say, "well I'm never buying Foster Farms again!" or "We need to jail that worker!"

Do you feel that that these are the right take away? What would you like people to take from your investigations and how would you like to see groups like COK or other activists talking about these investigations?