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Warren Farrell also did an in-depth study of the phenomenon of incest and revealed in an interview that about 4% of the people who responded said they found it a positive experience and not a damaging one. He said that this should not lead us to ever advocate incest but we might want to consider the possibility that we could damage some incest survivors by telling them they were required to feel awful about something they didn't feel awful about.

For this 4% finding and for suggesting that while incest is still bad we should be cautious about overgeneralizing, he has since for decades been quoted as being an "incest supporter."

No I'm not making it up, I wish I was.

There's clearly "unusual" downvoting activity, if only in the sense that there are always people who try their best to silence Erin, incuding taking her books out of circulation, jamming radio show call-in lines, protesting her appearances... all for the crimes of (A) being critical of feminism, and (B) daring to sugest men are often victims and women often perpetrators. That sure gets some people very angry, and rather than discuss it they'd rather censor it. That seems to be SRS's modus operandum, that's for sure.

I'm really sorry that we didn't see this question while we were doing the session together with Erin (she has difficulties with technology and she types very slowly so I do her techie type stuff) but, I know she would invite you to contact her on Facebook so please feel free to do that. Also, do not feel weird that your sister sexually abused you, despite the enormous cultural (and to a large extent ideologically enforced) barrier to seeing female sexual predators, they are far more common than is often believed, and your situation is not unique. A good group to check out is Male Survivors. Check them out at http://www.malesurvivor.org. And here's something in particular you might want to read from their Myths page:

Myth #7 - If the perpetrator is female, the boy or adolescent should consider himself fortunate to have been initiated into heterosexual activity.

In reality, premature or coerced sex, whether by a mother, aunt, older sister, baby-sitter or other female in a position of power over a boy, causes confusion at best, and rage, depression or other problems in more negative circumstances. To be used as a sexual object by a more powerful person, male or female, is always abusive and often damaging.

SPLC made vague claims of "troubling" indications of misogyny but gave no specifics and later specifically denied listing AVfM as a hate site. That's because we actively advocate against violence and while we do allow people to use salty language in their articles (we've had hundreds of contributors, of both sexes and multiple ethnic backgrounds, sexual orientations, etc.) we, as a site, do not refer to women collectively that way, even if someone like Diana Davison may have once said that hyperbolically. We are no more prone to use gendered insults than any number of feminist sites.

And yes, I deleted an earlier question as it was too vague and more easy and appropriate to answer here.

Now I hope Warren will answer the question. But if the best someone can do is site one article out of tens of thousands where one author (probably a female) used this kind of language, Warren is answering a disingenuous question, and I hope he knows it.

Patriarchies do and have existed. "The Patriarchy" and the Patriarchy Theory held by endless numbers of very mainstream feminists is a bogus, hateful, sexist, derogatory bogeyman.

The difficulty comes here in the Orwellian use of language: yes, there's such a thing as patriarchies. A patriarch ultimately is just a father or father figure. Most patriarchies involve a large matriarchal component in which the patriarch's responsibilities toward women are extreme and pretty ironclad, and women exerted strong matriarchal powers and powerful matriarchal rights within them, and still do in many societies we would call call patriarchal today. All of this subtlety is hidden and destroyed by the pseudoscientific and hateful rubbish of Patriarchy Theory.

Do much digging and you'll find that even in some of the societies today that are "oppressively patriarchal," let's say Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, women wield enormous power in vitally important spheres of life, and men have incredible obligations of self-sacrifice toward women. When we recognize this as reality, we break out of the childish, superficial "men oppress women" bullshit. But it's hard; a variety of cultural factors, of which ideological feminism is just one, clouds our view, and as a result often leads us to really bad conclusions and really bad policies, such as we see in the Domestic Violence industry today (and believe me, it really is an industry, a worldwide multibillion$$ industry, as Erin's noted many times and which you can verify for yourself by just looking at publicly-available figures).