danny0wnz170 karma2018-03-02 19:34:50 UTC
Is this entire AMA a conspiracy to discredit and portray “conspiracy theorists” as individuals of lower socio-economic status or being in poor financial and/or social environments and situations...?
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danny0wnz6 karma2021-04-05 23:08:04 UTC
In many instances it takes a handful of non-violent offenses for someone to actually find their way into the criminal justice system.
On a side note, how are you going to handle property crimes vs crimes against persons?
One of these is not like the other. Auto thefts. Cars are tricky.
Vehicles are insured. It’s a simple property crime. But vehicles are also considered deadly/lethal force in many areas. Can be very common for juveniles to steal cars and joy ride. 15-17 years old in a nice brand new Acura or a CTS-V on the highway at 160mph, you can’t even justify pursuing a vehicle in that scenario without creating more of a danger to the general public, while also tightening restrictions on police on a national level. I’m genuinely curious what your thoughts are on this matter.
danny0wnz2 karma2017-08-03 17:59:28 UTC
Have you ever shit your pants on a bobsled?
danny0wnz2 karma2021-04-05 23:19:29 UTC
In a sense, I absolutely agree. Does that change though, if you remove the issue of substance abuse? I live in a small fairly average town of approximately 20sq miles and a population of approximately 50k. Home values FWIW in the 200k-300k range. As a town, we average about 3-5 stolen cars a week. And something tells me it’s not the homeless drug addicted guy going around checking doors...
I would be very interested in a conversation if you ever had the time. I’ve spent my entire professional career working in a multitude of different areas within our criminal justice system, from rehabilitation, to correction, to enforcement, and human services. I’ve seen the field from many different angles and I think my mind is fairly open to many of the views on our criminal justice system. Granted that’s only been about 10 years or so.
Edit: I guess what I’m getting at, is that there’s no blanket reform. In theory, your idea sounds wonderful. In practice, with how overloaded case workers, probation officers, and similar careers are currently, it may prove much more difficult. Current case flow in local courts it backlogged almost 20,000 cases. I believe the current figure hovers around 18,600 and growing.
danny0wnz2 karma2021-04-05 23:02:40 UTC
On a serious note, how will your reform
Hold people in general accountable for their actions? Not limiting to just criminals or police, but society as a whole.
It often takes many instances before incarceration is even a factor. For instance
1st criminal interaction let’s say I steal an “abandoned” bike at 15 probably a warning, return the bike, a ride home and parents notified.
2nd interaction, I steal candy from the store the following year. I have to make the store owner while again, and go about my day. Typically no serious criminal ramifications at this stage.
3rd, same year I’m 17 and steal a watch. Larceny in the lowest degree, watch is valued at $49. Recommended for juvenile rehabilitation.
4th, I’m 18 and steal a video game. $70. Again larceny in the lowest degree. “First offense”. 2 days of community service and charges are nolled. Out of trouble for 13 months.
5th, I’m 20. I steal a car. It was left running. No big deal. My records clean, I get a PTA. I use my AR (accelerated rehabilitation). A year passes, I’m 21 with 5 larcenies now probably considered a PLO, and a clean record.
6th. I steal a car again. This is it. My first real offense. I’ve inconvenienced 6 people; possibly ruined the lives of 2, with the trauma of having their car stolen, maybe cost them a day off work or worst their job. Their peace of mind. I finally get probation.
7th, I’m on probation. Breaking and entering. I break into someone’s home, burglarize the property, and violate my probation. Now it’s POSSIBLY time for incarceration. Is it though, because more often than not, you’ll see a continued on probation in many states.
Upwards of 7/8 instances of getting caught committing a “non-violent” “serious” offense - property crimes before incarceration is even on the table. And these are the “reported” “enforcement action taken” offenses. Not to mention the offenses where it’s just a “return to owner and don’t come back”. Upwards of 7,8,9,10 larcenies before incarceration is even on the table. Can we also discuss holding people in general accountable for their actions?
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