SenorBeef

Here's the thing - all you hear is "oh of course no one is saying that there was tampering with the votes!" but the thing is we do not routinely audit our elections. How do we know that no one was tampering with the votes? There have been no widespread audits of the election.

I feel like "oh of course no one tampered with the votes" is something we don't actually know. We know our voting machines are vulnerable, and we know Russia used a full spectrum of cyber warfare against the election - why is it so unthinkable that votes were changed?

I think the "oh no don't worry, there's no way votes were tampered with" is a lie the politicians and media decided to tell us very early on and very loudly not to undermine faith in our election system and cause a huge crisis out of it.

When we were kids, maybe 10-15 years old, my friends and I used to go swimming in Lake Erie for hours starting in late April, where the water temp is around 50 degrees. I later looked at a hypothermia chart that indicates that it's quite dangerous - you're potentially looking at "exhaustion or onconciousness" in the 30m-2 hour range. But we'd go swimming for at least 3-4 hours and it wasn't a big deal to us. I'm quite confident we spent several hours continuously in 50 degree water.

Conventional wisdom seems to think that's a fatal mistake, but it never bothered us. Was it because we were very active kids with lots of energy, swimming and jumping and diving into waves, some other reason, or must I be misremembering because we should've been dead?