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RTHoe6 karma

Shackleton's hut is still there??? That's amazing. One of the best books I've read.

RTHoe6 karma

I'm aware that was the case you referenced and that's exactly why I linked it. President Obama's steps did not solve the issue. Dozens were allowed in that pose legitimate threats. The FBI has said that they have over 1,000 open and active investigations of Islamic terrorism in every single US state.

Immigration controls are not a means to an end, they are how we begin to solve the problem, though. You don't close an amputated limb by starting where the limb was severed, you apply a tourniquet to stop the flow of blood, then you can begin the work.

We cannot try to solve this issue when we continue to let people in that may pose a threat. It's the same concept of illegal immigration. We cannot begin to solve it until we secure the flow of them (from securing the border to tightening the visa program so that those that initially come here legally do not stay illegally, etc.).

If you acknowledge that there is clear risk (regardless of the degree), how can you possibly be in favor of shrugging your shoulders and continuing to allow that risk into the country? A temporary suspension is very logical when you just acknowledged that there is a real risk associated with its current process.

Is it an extreme measure? Perhaps. Are these not also extreme times? Look at how much carnage has come to many European countries. This is serious foreshadowing for America if we do not address the issue head on.

I look forward to your response, and thank you for your time.

RTHoe5 karma

The OP of this AMA is full of shit. His proof has zero credibility and his answers support that. He reeks of bullshit.

RTHoe4 karma

I've made a very good faith effort to understand this issue, which at its core is Islam. I've traveled to three Islamic countries, spending over a year total in them. I've read the Quran and taken both government taught courses on Islam and Islamic culture as well as private ones.

I am not a big fan of President Trump, but I am a fan of knowing who we allow into our country. Whether the Trump administration has failed to provide evidence of a threat from those countries or not is subjective and frankly irrelevant. There is substantial evidence that Islamic terrorists have been coming from those countries.

Examples:

http://theblacksphere.net/2017/01/flashback-26-islamic-terrorist-attacks-plotted-by-immigrants-refugees-in-u-s/

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

http://www.voanews.com/a/somali-american-sentenced-to-thirty-years-for-christmas-bomb-plot/2469462.html

These are just some of the seemingly countless examples of people from those countries planning or attempting to commit terrorist attacks. That is only discussing specific terrorism, there are countless examples of people from those countries committing a wide variety of crimes, including murder.

There is a very real problem here. Whether the Trump administration made their argument well enough is one thing, but to deny there is an issue is blatant ignorance.

Again, I ask you, what do you think should be done to solve this issue? Clearly you disagree with any sort of temporary travel ban. That's fine, but what are you bringing to the table? What do you think needs to be done? I'm asking a genuine question here, we can agree to disagree specifically on the travel ban, but the larger problem remains.

RTHoe2 karma

Based on your post, it would be safe to assume you are against President Trump's temporary travel hold until our broken immigration system is fixed. Every expert in the matter agrees that the system is broken, in fact, the list of countries President Trump is using for a temporary hold is the list President Obama compiled of countries that needed increased vetting.

My question is, why are you against a temporary hold on immigrants from certain countries that unquestionably lack the proper vetting procedures?