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So there were spills totalling around 650 barrels of oil, 495 of which were contained to the pumping station. So, around 155 barrels that actually impacted anything, that was promptly cleaned up.

Do you have any fucking idea how much product is lost in underground storage tanks at gas stations? In rail transload facilities? Tankers getting into accidents on the roads? Train derailments? Hell, just pumping the shit out of the ground (never mind "tarsands", just conventional pumping)? How much gas gets spilt every time someone fills up their gas tank? Every automobile accident?

EDIT TO ADD: According to your prescious Page 33 of that report, all of the "small spills" (less than 15bbl) were entirely contained on the operator's property. Of the 500bbl spilt in the "medium" spill, all but 5bbl were contained on the operator's property.

So basically, the total impact to landowners/etc along the route was 5bbl which was promptly cleaned up (within a week, according to your report).

Quite bluntly, you can take your FUD and choke on it.

I'll take Keystone over conventional transportation every fucking day.

Dude, I freaking loved you on Weeds. Doug Wilson...amazing character.

You're awesome man, and probably one of the funniest people around, period. Love ya man!

Would you still refuse to take a shit in an Olive Garden? :)

This, so much.

Yes, I support the move to clean energy. But we're not there yet.

So we need the carbon fuels today...and bluntly, I'd rather have oil moving by pipeline than railcar/truck. It IS safer.

Honestly, I'm sick of these hippie granola-eating motherfuckers thinking we can turn a switch and change tomorrow. That's not fucking possible.

Oh, I agree 100% that gov't subsidy of big oil is fucking bullshit too. We should be subsidizing the transition to clean energy, not oil.

But even without subsidies, there is an assload of money in Oil, and expansion will continue until we reach the point that clean is cheaper than oil.

Until then...oil (even oilsands) are one of the cleanest fossil fuels out there, with only Nat. Gas cleaner.