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CadetPeepers210 karma


My only understanding of the matter is that the FCC enacted Title 2, so why can't they unilaterally get rid of it?

CadetPeepers36 karma

I've seen it. Most of the time it seems to be someone on fixed income who ran out of money for the month so they're stealing a bag of cat food for their pets or something.

CadetPeepers35 karma

I don't know how it is for anywhere but my department, but we aren't allowed to provide any meaningful level of first aid. Attempting to go beyond your job description will leave you liable if something goes wrong. I've actually requested to take EMT training because I go out of my way to get as much additional training and certifications as possible but was denied for that reason ("It isn't your job.")

We're trained to secure the area until paramedics arrive, especially if the victim was hostile prior to being injured. If that means the suspect dies, then that's what it means.

tl;dr, I agree with you that they would have done more to help him if he'd been a police officer, but not for the reason that you think.

Edit: Good example of this happened recently, actually. About a week ago I responded to a medical assist. Caretaker said the subject was unconscious and couldn't be roused, though he was still breathing. By the time I arrived the subject had woken up and was responsive but delirious and couldn't move his limbs. It was very hot that day and he had no AC in his home, so I checked his temperature and found it to be dangerously elevated. I immediately recognized all these things as symptoms of heat stroke, but because of department policy, I couldn't do anything but sit with him for half an hour until Fire Rescue arrived to take him away. I imagine he survived, but what if he hadn't?

Edit 2: I think you overestimate how much first aid training police get as well. They basically throw you a roll of bandages and tell you to practice wrapping up a dummy, then you do two hours of CPR once a year. Nothing about compression to staunch bleeding, how to seal a sucking chest wound to do CPR, or anything like that.

Edit 3: I'm really going kinda crazy with the edits, aren't I? I thought of another example of the 'can't provide first aid' thing. We're not allowed to administer medication of any kind (Some places let you give Narcan, we are not one of those places). So say I had a kid laying at my feet suffering from severe anaphylaxis shock and he's probably going to die within a few minutes without help, but he has an EpiPen on him. We cannot administer the EpiPen even if it means he dies.

CadetPeepers20 karma

I doubt they could do Saitama if only because he has no defined limits as of yet.

CadetPeepers11 karma

Police have a thing called qualified immunity. Without going into a ton of detail, basically that means they can't be held liable for acting within their duties as a government agent. Attempting to provide anything other than very basic first aid would fall outside of their duties. Also, as stated, the primary concern is securing the area. No point in attempting to provide first aid if someone else gets shot or stabbed while you're distracted.

Graham v. Connor established the 'objective reasonableness' test for use of force. Basically that means if you get 10 police officers together and they are given the same exact circumstances if 6 or more would say, "Yeah, I would have done something similar to that.", then you are covered by qualified immunity. So this isn't a matter of cops just 'getting off' for wrongdoing, but they were determined to be acting within their duties. They might have acted improperly, but not to such an extent that the immunity is waived. Still, it's not carte blanche to just do whatever you want.

I'm big on telling people to go for ridealongs and ask about undergoing a use of force simulation with your local PD or police academy. Most people who are put into a situation similar to what police have to deal with consider it an eye opening experience.