My short bio:

You probably know me from O'Reilly books & conferences, including the Open Source Convention (OSCON) and the Web 2.0 meme. My original business plan was “interesting work for interesting people,” and that’s worked out pretty well. I'm also a partner at O'Reilly Alpha Tech Ventures and on the boards of Safari Books Online, Code for America, Maker Media, and PeerJ.

Lately I've been intrigued by the emergence of "Internet of Things" and the opportunities and challenges in this area. You can see me talk about it in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhUEvsq1xOo.

I'll also be talking about it more at O'Reilly Solid, a new event we started about the Internet of Things: http://solidcon.com/solid2014.

This area is getting a lot of attention now, but I'd like to go beyond the hype and talk about the real ways that IoT can change how we live and do business. I’ll be answering your questions live, starting at 10AM Pacific time.

My Proof: https://twitter.com/timoreilly/status/456178718424432641

UPDATE: OK. Time to go! Thanks for all your questions today and hanging out - good stuff! Read more about IoT on the Radar blog, where I post somewhat frequently http://radar.oreilly.com/ I'll also be talking about it at Solid http://solidcon.com/solid2014

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haveblue5111 karma

I've been a Safari Online subscriber since 2004 and it's been a key resource in my skills development. Thank you.

What's your vision for the continued development of O'Reilly Media, especially given the O'Reilly School and the recent expansion of resources like Coursera and other "non-traditional" learning paths?

TimOReillyAMA7 karma

Our basic goal is to provide the knowledge that helps make the future happen. We started with books, then conferences, added Safari as an online library, and increasingly, online training, then OATV for investment. It's all fuel for the fire that burns up the present and turns it into the future. Our core idea is to help the people who are making interesting futures happen. Because it isn't just any future we want. It is a better one, for everyone. And that's why I'm involved in activism as well as just selling picks and shovels to the miners. E.g. I spend a lot of time with codeforamerica.org, trying to help get government to use technology more wisely.

rhops10 karma

What prompted the start of BioCoder? Are people really doing biotech in their garages in the same way that many computer hardware and software innovations happened?

Thanks.

TimOReillyAMA11 karma

Yes, there is definitely a biotech revolution. We've been watching this for some years. When IGEM (the International Genetically Engineered Machines competition for high schoolers) started some years back, we knew it was only a matter of time. We've been looking at this area for at least a dozen years, and it seems to be heating up.

jstogdill7 karma

I'll add, that biology is becoming a computational science with physical world i/o (genetic sequencing and gene printing). We started biocoder now because 1) synthetic bio is exploding in importance, 2) the cost do meaningful stuff is low enough now for meaningful levels of democratization, and 3) the computational aspects of bio overlap more and more with the other things O'Reilly is doing in data science etc.

TimOReillyAMA5 karma

I totally agree with what Jim said here. I wish I'd said it myself :-)

localtalent8 karma

I saw you give an awesome talk at SXSW a couple of years back, and you discussed the concept of 'vending machine government' - citizens put in money in the form of tax dollars and get out goods and services like police, street paving, etc.

It's been a few years, and most of the 'government technology' initiatives have been about opening access to datasets and streamlining paperwork -- essentially, a bigger, faster vending machine.

What do you foresee being required to fundamentally shift this model? And as citizens, what is our role in causing that to change (short of running for office)?

TimOReillyAMA4 karma

Actually, I don't see opening access to data sets being a bigger faster vending machine. A vending machine gives finished products. A platform lets other people build products. Government data is raw material.

E.g. with Todd Park, I helped start the HHS health datapalooza, an event around healthcare data, which now has a whole startup ecosystem around it.

At Code for America, we have an Accelerator program for civic startups, many of them made possible by open government data. (hey - applications for this year's program are open now. See http://codeforamerica.org/geeks/accelerator-faq/)

As to your role - there are lots of ways that techies can help. For some awesome coverage of how geeks helped save healthcare.gov, see https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140325160616-16553--they-have-no-use-for-someone-who-looks-and-dresses-like-me?trk=mp-author-card

ironydan7 karma

The emergence of "Internet of Things" or Internet of Everything will lead to an even more connected world.

What do you think security and privacy will mean in an even more connected world?

How do we cope with this?

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

You are totally right that IoT leads to enormous privacy challenges. But in the end, we just need to make sure that when we give up our privacy, we get back more value than we give up. A lot of apps rely on us giving very private information, but if it's for our benefit, we are happy to make the tradeoff. I wrote about that here: http://radar.oreilly.com/2014/03/the-creep-factor-how-to-think-about-big-data-and-privacy.html

jasonmm19797 karma

Hey Mr. O'Reilly!

Big fan here. Just wondering if you'll be attending the Maker Faire next month in San Mateo, CA?

What do you think will be happening with 3D printing in the next couple years? There's a lot of controversy on the Internet between the Open Source advocates (RepRap, Ultimaker, etc) and the Closed Source 'big guys' of 3D printing such as 3D Systems and Stratasys,

TimOReillyAMA10 karma

Yes, I will be at the Maker Faire. I believe I'm interviewing science fiction author Daniel Suarez on stage, in fact.

Re 3D printing, the biggest news to me is not going to be in 3D printing, but in other forms of digital manufacturing. See for example the Othercutter http://othermachine.co/ or Taktia http://taktia.com/

These are small scale - but extrapolate out. Digital manufacturing affects buildings, machine tools, etc.

3D printing is just a gateway drug to get people using the tools of digital design and manufacturing. Once you learn how to design and make stuff, a world of new tools will open up.

You might say that 3D printing is the "hello world" of digital manufacturing.

colintkelly7 karma

Do you think the IoT is being covered adequately in the media? Is there too much press? Not enough? Or does it even matter?

TimOReillyAMA4 karma

One thing you learn is that the media always gets it wrong. Anyone close to a story knows how much is left out. But then we go to an area outside our expertise, and it seems like a reasonable summary.Michael Crichton called it the Murray Gell-Mann amnesia effect http://seekerblog.com/2006/01/31/the-murray-gell-mann-amnesia-effect/ So the closer you are to something, the more you see what's missing in the coverage.

But general stories still serve an important role. They bring things to our attention. We then have to do our own homework and thinking to see more deeply than the introductory story that got us interested.

We see an awful lot of me-tooism among investors and entrepreneurs as well as with media! One of the problems with herd investing and herd entrepreneurship is that people are often thinking at the same level and not taking the time to see more deeply. So my advice: take the time to draw your own map of the world. I wrote about this here: https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20121029141916-16553-language-is-a-map?trk=mp-author-card

shivan216 karma

Is Web 2.0 concept still actual?

TimOReillyAMA5 karma

Yes. The Web 2.0 name is no longer au courant, but all the ideas that I used it to frame are still with us: the idea that the apps of the future would be driven by data (now the focus of our Strata conference - strataconf.com), that much of that data would come from users, either implicitly or explicitly, allowing for a kind of collective intelligence, and that in the future (that is now), much of that data would come from sensors rather than from people typing on keyboards. So I think the idea was pretty much dead on!

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

Cute. But I think you already did.

tinkurlab6 karma

There has been a lot of discussion recently about lack of standards for integration and orchestration being a blocker to IoT moving beyond individual devices. What are you excited about in the this area to move IoT towards interoperability? Are there certain standards / etc that you think are driving things forward? Ex. MQTT, etc?

TimOReillyAMA5 karma

It will be an issue over time. But premature standardization can be a problem too.

Think about the web. It started with someone saying "Here's my cool app and system." Not with someone writing standards.

What's important is that when people create new things that are NOT YET STANDARD, that they imagine what the world looks like if they win. How will they make it possible to grow an ecosystem around what they do.

Studying the history of the internet and the world wide web is a great way to do that, because the creators of both built nearly perfect systems for creating lots of value around emergent standards without predefining everything.

If the IoT can grow its standards in the same way the Internet did, it will be a lot better than if some committee of big companies gets together and tries to agree on the future. They will miss something important.

Jon Postel's Robustness principle is a great place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle

juliannebrands5 karma

What are the key drivers of the IoT movement? In other words, why now? Is it more than just the commoditized chip? Thanks! Looking forward to Solid.

TimOReillyAMA9 karma

I think it's a "perfect storm." Yes, there are lots of new sensors everywhere (especially in our phones - don't make the mistake of thinking that IoT requires new devices - the phone can be one important half of the system.) And yes, the maker movement has gotten people excited about hardware again. And yes, the big data infrastructure is in place to make use of the sensor data for useful applications.

But it's also a bit of what George Soros calls "reflexive truth." Things become true to the extent people believe in them. And movements in technology are like that: self-reinforcing waves, where one success draws imitators. So it starts with makers doing it for love, but the investors and entrepreneurs pile on when they see an exit for a MakerBot, or a Tesla, or a Nest.

rsche5 karma

Is the IoT being spearheaded by government policy, consumer interest, businesses, or all three? Are all of these actors ingredients for a successful uptake of the IoT? Does there need to be pre-existing infrastructure to absorb it?

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

All three. Always. See Bill Janeway's excellent book, Doing Capitalism in the Innovation Economy, for an explanation of the way these three things work together. http://www.amazon.com/Doing-Capitalism-Innovation-Economy-Speculation/dp/1107031257

I do have to say that I've been delighted by how much the Obama administration had turned into a Maker movement booster, but in the end, the government has played a much bigger role than people realize. All of those robotics companies google just acquired were DARPA funded, for example.

blogbrevity5 karma

How will quantified self sensors change how we think about our health care system?

TimOReillyAMA6 karma

I think there are huge opportunities for the quantified self in healthcare. What we measure for ourselves is only a small taste of what can be measured. And once the healthcare industry proper gets involved, we can expect all kinds of medical sensors being prescribed by doctors and monitored by apps built by the startups of the future.

Part of our job as an industry, though, is to make sure that we don't just feed into the broken system by producing overpriced products that raise the cost of healthcare. Our goal should be to disrupt the healthcare system by reducing costs, empowering patients, and creating new business models.

Anthony8094 karma

DO data and speed caps by mobile phone companies and some ISP limit the adoption of the IoT? Can mesh networks be an effective way to side step their rent seeking behavior to allow the creation of higher value services? If not, what other alternatives are there?

Bonus: what companies or strategies should start ups look at to provide the infrastructure backbone for the IoT?

TimOReillyAMA6 karma

I definitely think bandwidth caps will limit the IoT. But heck, bandwidth caps limit other apps too. We really need an end to the cable monopoly.

Regarding infrastructure backbone for the IoT, I think it may be too early to know the answer to that. Lots of people are trying. But I think it will grow out of existing infrastructure in some unexpected ways.

But there are "infrastructure" plays. Eg. OATV portfolio company Planet Labs is building a sensing infrastructure for the entire planet via low cost satellites. Super cool.

There are so many opportunities, but there will be a lot of investor blood on the tracks before they are all realized.

laurenstill3 karma

Hey Tim, thanks for doing this. I'm wondering what concerns you may have regarding security and IoT, especially as it moves it's way into healthcare, and if the concern will be driven from the consumer side or regulation side.

Your books played a large part in helping me out of a dead end lifestyle (bartending) and into the career I have now. Thank you.

TimOReillyAMA4 karma

I love hearing stories of how I helped people get the job they have now, or improve at the job they already had. It's why I do what you do.

I answered part of the question about privacy up above, mainly by referring to a radar post I wrote last month http://radar.oreilly.com/2014/03/the-creep-factor-how-to-think-about-big-data-and-privacy.html

But as to the concern about regulation, I agree that it could hold back the IoT in a lot of areas. One way for companies to get ahead of that is NOT to do user-hostile things that will make people say "Wow, we need some new rules to keep that from happening!" Do good work, and try to do right by your users. Then you have a leg to stand on if regulators come calling.

rsche3 karma

What countries do you see benefiting from the IoT? How can countries position themselves to reap the benefits of the IoT?

TimOReillyAMA6 karma

I think it benefits those of us in the US a lot. Manufacturing countries like China and Mexico benefit as well. But really, it is good for all of us.

Re positioning: empower your inventors and your hackers, not just people who think they have big money ideas. Remember that when Google started, it was just a research project. There are going to be some crazy IoT ideas that don't appear fundable, and that turn out to be the real deal.

Also, stick it out. Just as there was a dotcom bust, there will probably be an IoT bust. Realize that real value takes time to be discovered.

madmanwithtoys3 karma

Where did you get your start, what drove you to create your media empire?

TimOReillyAMA4 karma

Well, I don't think of it as an empire so much as a small township in a very big world! How I started - I was a writer with a friend who was a programmer who got asked to write some documentation. I agreed to help him, got hooked on computers, started a documentation company, and then eventually started writing and publishing my own books. Later on, I realized that there wasn't enough attention being paid to some of the technologies I wrote about, so I started conferences to make more noise. Etc. You can read about a lot of this history on tim.oreilly.com, and more recently on LinkedIn, eg https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20121002122119-16553-it-s-not-about-you-the-truth-about-social-media-marketing?trk=mp-author-card

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

Well, I don't think of it as an empire so much as a small township in a very big world! How I started - I was a writer with a friend who was a programmer who got asked to write some documentation. I agreed to help him, got hooked on computers, started a documentation company, and then eventually started writing and publishing my own books. Later on, I realized that there wasn't enough attention being paid to some of the technologies I wrote about, so I started conferences to make more noise. Etc. You can read about a lot of this history on tim.oreilly.com, and more recently on LinkedIn, eg https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20121002122119-16553-it-s-not-about-you-the-truth-about-social-media-marketing?trk=mp-author-card

shivan213 karma

Which internet sites do you see as closest to the "global brain working"?

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

Google. No question. They are doing this on so many fronts.

They started with just digital knowledge. But they have always been a pretty serious "maker company", starting with their early data centers, continuing building amazing hardware innovations for the purpose of building their core business (like Google Streetview Cars), and eventually getting into hardware more directly with android, chromebooks, and Nest.

Now, with all the robotics acquisitions, they are building actuators to go with all their sensors.

colintkelly3 karma

What's the most important thing people should know about the IoT?

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

That it is an internet of things AND humans. A lot of the great breakthroughs are going to come because someone thinks through how the IoT will really make life better for humans. And as I wrote in http://radar.oreilly.com/2014/04/ioth-the-internet-of-things-and-humans.html, a lot of "halfway house" applications will use humans for part of the entire IoT system.

rhops3 karma

It feels like many manufacturers are struggling to add value through internet connectivity. Outside of phones and TVs, have you seen any killer apps for the IoT yet? What areas do you see as rich areas for exploration - Cars? Homes?

TimOReillyAMA7 karma

A lot of manufacturers are going to do half-assed jobs, but bit by bit, we will figure out how to do it right. Think back to the early web. We are at a moment now like the one where everyone realized that they had to have a website. Some websites were good, some bad, but in the end, the web as a whole got better, despite a lot of truly horrendous websites along the way.

Adding connectivity to things is going to be the same way. Some people will do it badly, others beautifully. And when the good ones win, others learn from them.

chloeclover3 karma

How can software developers learn to get started with building hardware IoT products?

TimOReillyAMA2 karma

Here are six books we've picked out for getting started on hardware: http://solidcon.com/solid2014/public/content/all-access. They're all aimed at the Solid audience, which is to say people who have a technical mindset but don't necessarily have hardware/electronics experience.

For real beginners, our friends at Make have a great set of resources in the form of books and kits: http://makezine.com/

cjf43 karma

How do you pick which animals to use on the covers of your books?

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

I don't. I have a design team for that :-) Edie Freedman originally came up with the animal design, and she talks about it here: http://oreilly.com/news/ediemals_0400.html

modernmaker2 karma

Off the shelf IOT devices, vs maker-built community supported devices. Which do you see reaching higher adoption and why?

TimOReillyAMA4 karma

I think of all Maker movements as a stage. Makers are people who are comfortable building things before there are commercial offerings. But once there are commercial offerings, they move on to new green fields.

The PC industry was once "maker." The web was once "maker." It's just that now, maker is the gateway drug to the Internet of Things. (And other wonderful countries, like digital design and manufacturing.)

adfm1 karma

Will the IoT spur widespread adoption of IPv6?

TimOReillyAMA2 karma

I have no idea. Perhaps someone else can comment. I haven't seen it.

jonjohns651 karma

Will my house need an IT department?

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

I think for many people, it already does. I just had a call from an elderly friend asking me to help her watch a video I'd put on her computer. Knowledge is always relative. But at the same time, kids are becoming the IT department for their parents!

nenag1 karma

Hey Tim! Thanks for doing this, I am a big fan of O'Reilly media's books and your conferences. What is a funny moment from your career? Where do you think the IoT industry is heading? What is your personal mantra?

TimOReillyAMA4 karma

That's three questions: A funny moment from my career: The time back in the mid-90s when Cisco tried to acquire O'Reilly, and I asked "Why would you want to acquire a book publisher?" They said "You've been there first more times than anyone else, and then you've failed to exploit it. We want you to keep doing that, but then we'll exploit it." I actually think I've done a pretty good job of exploiting the opportunities I've seen, just not in the way that people expect. That actually goes to the answer to your third question: my personal mantra. "Create more value than you capture." I've always been interested in making interesting things happen, and empowering other people who make interesting things. And I've accomplished that pretty well!

As to the IoT industry - which is the real subject of this chat - I do think that we are headed for ubiquitous sensors everywhere, driving big data applications, which will ultimately give us the ability to do things we can't imagine today. For more on my thoughts about IoT, see http://radar.oreilly.com/2014/04/ioth-the-internet-of-things-and-humans.html. But also look at a piece I wrote back in 2009, called Web Squared: Web 2.0 5 years On http://www.web2summit.com/web2009/public/schedule/detail/10194

TimOReillyAMA3 karma

That's three questions:

  1. A funny moment from my career: The time back in the mid-90s when Cisco tried to acquire O'Reilly, and I asked "Why would you want to acquire a book publisher?" They said "You've been there first more times than anyone else, and then you've failed to exploit it. We want you to keep doing that, but then we'll exploit it." I actually think I've done a pretty good job of exploiting the opportunities I've seen, just not in the way that people expect. That actually goes to the answer to your third question: my personal mantra. "Create more value than you capture." I've always been interested in making interesting things happen, and empowering other people who make interesting things. And I've accomplished that pretty well!

As to the IoT industry - which is the real subject of this chat - I do think that we are headed for ubiquitous sensors everywhere, driving big data applications, which will ultimately give us the ability to do things we can't imagine today. For more on my thoughts about IoT, see http://radar.oreilly.com/2014/04/ioth-the-internet-of-things-and-humans.html. But also look at a piece I wrote back in 2009, called Web Squared: Web 2.0 5 years On http://www.web2summit.com/web2009/public/schedule/detail/10194